Jorge Lopez traded to Twins for pitching prospects (edit)

[Emory Eagle]

24 minutes ago, PHRESH said:

It was plain to see when you looked that the underlying numbers. He was a ticking time bomb and I'm glad we got something for him. 

Trying to improve my familiarity with more advanced metrics, what numbers do you mean?  Things like K rate / BABIP against / barrel % / movement on pitches or spin rate?

[ShoelesJoe]

1 hour ago, WI O’s Fan said:

Looks like Elias sold on a high note with Jorge.  
A/J numbers  whip 1.10 era 1.70

A/S numbers whip 2.10 era 4.19

I was kind of lost at what A/J and A/S meant. Are they April -- July and then August -- September?

[WI O’s Fan]

18 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

I was kind of lost at what A/J and A/S meant. Are they April -- July and then August -- 

Edited September 17, 2022 by WI O’s Fan
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[WI O’s Fan]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=lopezjo02&year=2022&t=p#half

[terpoh]

4 earned runs, 4 hits and 2 walks in 2/3 of an inning today.

[Fiver6565]

I actually feel bad for Jorge at this point, he's been awful.  Trade looks better and better though!

[RZNJ]

38 minutes ago, terpoh said:

4 earned runs, 4 hits and 2 walks in 2/3 of an inning today.

Ouch!  That’s the old Jorge.

[Gurgi]

What do you think is Jorge's problem?  Was he always likely to be this pitcher and this is who he truly is?   

Was the first four months in Baltimore a mirage?  Did he just get lucky?  

Is his personality a little fragile for the closer spot?   

Whatever it seems obvious that Elias did the right thing by getting a nice return for him.   

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

What do you think is Jorge's problem?  Was he always likely to be this pitcher and this is who he truly is?   

Was the first four months in Baltimore a mirage?  Did he just get lucky?  

Is his personality a little fragile for the closer spot?   

Whatever it seems obvious that Elias did the right thing by getting a nice return for him.   

Everyone including myself does this. We assume that since a player has been dealt that their production remains the same had it been if they stayed. Now clearly you have you have players who have overachieved and or lack a history of success. Perhaps Lopez regresses had he stayed but we are dealing with human beings and not robots. 

Edited September 19, 2022 by eddie83

[Sports Guy]

34 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

What do you think is Jorge's problem?  Was he always likely to be this pitcher and this is who he truly is?   

Was the first four months in Baltimore a mirage?  Did he just get lucky?  

Is his personality a little fragile for the closer spot?   

Whatever it seems obvious that Elias did the right thing by getting a nice return for him.   

Depends on how you define luck.  His ERA was lower than what it should have been.  He was a sub 2 ERA guy for us.  All of his numbers suggested he was more in the 2.50 area, give or take.  

His control has been an issue it looks like.  11 walks since he got there.  17 while he was here.

Is he throwing something different?  Going through a mechanical change?  Did Minnesota tinker with something and mess him up?  Is he just in a rut because of the trade?

I think there was some level of regression in terms of his ERA going up some.  But the rest of his stats were really good.  Outside of his BB rate, there are still very good.  

Edited September 19, 2022 by Sports Guy

[Fiver6565]

People were worried about the psychological effect the trade might have on the Os as a team, and it didn’t really seem to. But maybe it had an effect on Lopez. I’m sure it was hard for him to leave here with the camaraderie the BP had in particular. 
 

not all of it but not shocking if that’s part of it. 

[WI O’s Fan]

After tonight’s showing, his era with the twins is 5.75 ~ regression back to his mean.  I am not sure if the Twins will tender him a contract.

[Gurgi]

3 hours ago, WI O’s Fan said:

After tonight’s showing, his era with the twins is 5.75 ~ regression back to his mean.  I am not sure if the Twins will tender him a contract.

Well I could see the orioles picking him up if he is put on waivers.   That would be kind of funny.

[Roll Tide]

12 hours ago, Gurgi said:

What do you think is Jorge's problem?  Was he always likely to be this pitcher and this is who he truly is?   

Was the first four months in Baltimore a mirage?  Did he just get lucky?  

Is his personality a little fragile for the closer spot?   

Whatever it seems obvious that Elias did the right thing by getting a nice return for him.   

I said he was an extreme confidence player. When things are going well he’s able to go on sustained runs. When he’s bad he usually strings them to together as well. I think he’s less aggressive when things are going bad… goes from pitching to throwing 

[sportsfan8703]

People do forget the human side of the sport. He was an unexpected success story for us and a hero basically. In Minnesota he was a hired gun AS that was expected to produce like an AS. 
 

If the twins non tender Lopez then I think we’d 100% bring him back. He could link back up with Holt and be our 7th/8th inning guy we so desperately need.