Gambling coming to OPACY?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, DrungoHazewood said:

And the sport if/when the scandals hit.  Half the reason boxing went from huge to kind of a joke and a sideshow is that everyone assumed a lot of matches are fixed by the gamblers.

If Ruth hadn't appeared at almost the same time as the Black Sox scandal and Landis hadn't cracked down hard who knows what might have happened to baseball.  Now everyone's like, nah, that'll never happen, baseball is way too popular.

We also had an NBA gambling scandal in 2007.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I believe that people should be held accountable for their own actions.

If gambling is an issue for you, don’t go where it is.  If you can’t control yourself, that’s on you.

I don’t gamble that often.  Know why?  Because I love it.  There are few things I enjoy more than sitting in a casino and playing blackjack.  It’s awesome.  But because I love it, I don’t do it hardly at all.  Why? Because I have responsibilities and don’t want to ruin those things.

In life, you make choices.  How you deal with those choices is on you.  I don’t feel that you don’t have something because there are people out there who can’t handle it.  It’s up to those people to control themselves and not put themselves into a situation where they can hurt themselves or others.

And if you are an addict and choose to go to the games, you know what?  Don’t go by that lounge.  Don’t go near it.  It will be an obvious location.  If you can’t hold yourself back from that, don’t go.  

Yeah. While I agree on personal responsibility, addiction is a different beast. 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah. While I agree on personal responsibility, addiction is a different beast. 

Addiction wouldn’t occur if you don’t do it in the first place.

If you are an addict and can’t control yourself, don’t put yourself in that situation.

[DrungoHazewood]

I mean, I guess I could just be completely cynical and cheer on the gambling.  It's essentially a regressive tax on those who can't do math and those with an addiction.  I don't gamble, so I don't pay the tax.  In the larger scheme I get some benefits from the taxes and (perhaps) the Orioles having a larger revenue stream that I never have to contribute a dime to.

So society is worse, is harsher, is more like Pottersville than Bedford Falls.  People who exercised somewhat poor judgment are bankrupted and probably have to be supported at substantial cost by that same society.  But who cares, I get very slightly lower taxes and the O's might get an extra free agent.

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Baseball: Rule #1 is never bet on baseball

Rose: I'm going to put a bunch of bets on baseball and get really indebted to gamblers while I'm still involved in the game and then lie about it for years and make a bunch of cash on autographs and memorabilia signed by The Baseball Martyr and Hit King

Baseball: Okay, let's give you our highest honor and the opportunity to speak your mind to the world!

Rose in the Hall is completely nonsense.  It's like putting Al Capone and Jefferson Davis on Mount Rushmore.

Rose wasn’t banned cause of gambling. Dowd held a secret meeting with him outside of Chicago, offered him a deal that, IIRC, if he confessed right then and there it’d never go public.  No suspension, nothing. Look it up, it happened. 
 

Rose was banned because he was running his bets through mafia controlled bookies who also had ties to cocaine. Coming off the Pittsburgh Drug Trials, Gooden, etc, they couldn’t run the risk of the public finding out that Pete Rose had coke ties. 
 

Rose, being Rose, of course denied it all and his lawyers escalated everything and then it went public. 
 

You can believe what you want and I know you’ll believe that Rose was banned for gambling. The truth is that MLB wanted it swept under the rug, never to see the light of day. 

[Moose Milligan]

7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Addiction wouldn’t occur if you don’t do it in the first place.

If you are an addict and can’t control yourself, don’t put yourself in that situation.

Lmao that’s not living in reality. 
 

“Don’t play cards! You might turn into a gambling addict!”

Yeah, we all saw how “just say no” worked out. That’s the thing about addicts that you obviously don’t understand. None of them think they have a problem until it’s too late. 

[Moose Milligan]

5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I mean, I guess I could just be completely cynical and cheer on the gambling.  It's essentially a regressive tax on those who can't do math and those with an addiction.  I don't gamble, so I don't pay the tax.  In the larger scheme I get some benefits from the taxes and (perhaps) the Orioles having a larger revenue stream that I never have to contribute a dime to.

So society is worse, is harsher, is more like Pottersville than Bedford Falls.  People who exercised somewhat poor judgment are bankrupted and probably have to be supported at substantial cost by that same society.  But who cares, I get very slightly lower taxes and the O's might get an extra free agent.

It sucks if they use that money to sign, like, Jay Payton or an old Sammy Sosa. 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Lmao that’s not living in reality. 
 

“Don’t play cards! You might turn into a gambling addict!”

Yeah, we all saw how “just say no” worked out. That’s the thing about addicts that you obviously don’t understand. None of them think they have a problem until it’s too late. 

It’s absolutely reality.  You can’t be addicted to something you have never done.

I’m guessing you are addicted to heroin because I’m guess you have never done it.  By never doing it, you don’t get addicted.

If you are addicted to gambling and choose to yourself in a situation where you are around gambling, you set yourself up for failure.  Why should those who can control themselves suffer because you are weak?

Accountability is something this society no longer believes in.  

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It’s absolutely reality.  You can’t be addicted to something you have never done.

I’m guessing you are addicted to heroin because I’m guess you have never done it.  By never doing it, you don’t get addicted.

If you are addicted to gambling and choose to yourself in a situation where you are around gambling, you set yourself up for failure.  Why should those who can control themselves suffer because you are weak?

Accountability is something this society no longer believes in.  

So you don't want people who are addicted to gambling to be able to go to baseball games?

 

[Moose Milligan]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It’s absolutely reality.  You can’t be addicted to something you have never done.

I’m guessing you are addicted to heroin because I’m guess you have never done it.  By never doing it, you don’t get addicted.

If you are addicted to gambling and choose to yourself in a situation where you are around gambling, you set yourself up for failure.  Why should those who can control themselves suffer because you are weak?

Accountability is something this society no longer believes in.  

Lol ok. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So you don't want people who are addicted to gambling to be able to go to baseball games?

 

No he does. They just shouldn’t veer near the gambling house cause they’re weak and can’t control themselves. 

[Sports Guy]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

So you don't want people who are addicted to gambling to be able to go to baseball games?

 

It’s up to them.  

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

No he does. They just shouldn’t veer near the gambling house cause they’re weak and can’t control themselves. 

No..they shouldn’t go there IF they are weak and can’t control themselves.

I know people who have quit drinking and go out and are around it all the time.  They control themselves.  They don’t drink at all.  
 

If you can do that, by all means, do it.  If you can’t, you shouldn’t put yourself in that situation.

Either way, the Orioles (or any other team) shouldn’t forgo that revenue stream and desire by fans just because of the very very very small percentage of people who can’t handle it.

Edited August 17, 2022 by Sports Guy

[eddie83]

5 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

The best thing about gambling is that one minute you have $2000 and you can pay your rent and buy groceries, and the next minute you can't!  Thrilling!

If you bet with a bookie you don’t need the money up front. With a casino you do. No SportsBook is going to allow you to gamble whatever you wish. 

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

And the sport if/when the scandals hit.  Half the reason boxing went from huge to kind of a joke and a sideshow is that everyone assumed a lot of matches are fixed by the gamblers.

If Ruth hadn't appeared at almost the same time as the Black Sox scandal and Landis hadn't cracked down hard who knows what might have happened to baseball.  Now everyone's like, nah, that'll never happen, baseball is way too popular.

You are implying that pro athletes haven’t had the means to gamble before it became legal? Or for that matter throw a game?
 

In the late 90’s the college betting scandal was uncovered due to large and odd amounts of money being wagered. The SportsBooks alerted the authorities. The bets occurred in legal Vegas SportsBook. A bookie isn’t going to call the cops up and say anything.