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Well, that does depend on Cowser.  Some feel he is a CFer and if the Os do feel that way, he could slide in quickly. You can also acquire a CFer by other means, like signing Kiermeier for example

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I’m not sure it’s a clear downgrade.  It’s not likely a downgrade defensively. Offensively, I think a downgrade is likely but I also think they could be average or better as a platoon compared to

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I'd love to see the package that could move Adley or Gunnar right now.

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I don't know.  Westburg's price tag is going up, up, up!

 

I'd agree that Westburg and Hays for Lopez is probably fair but I wouldn't do it.   I'd rather do Mullins straight up and I'm not really in favor of that either.   You like Mateo?   You like Hays?    No problem.    Mateo and Hays for Lopez.    ]

I don't mind giving up 3 years of control for 2 years of control.    I don't like giving up 6 years for 2.

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2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I don't know.  Westburg's price tag is going up, up, up!

 

I'd agree that Westburg and Hays for Lopez is probably fair but I wouldn't do it.   I'd rather do Mullins straight up and I'm not really in favor of that either.   You like Mateo?   You like Hays?    No problem.    Mateo and Hays for Lopez.    ]

I don't mind giving up 3 years of control for 2 years of control.    I don't like giving up 6 years for 2.

Nah. Hays and Westburg yes. Mateo and Hays no. The difference is Westburg's bat. Marlins need offense and power.

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

What about Mateo for Eder straight up? I could see both teams doing that. 

I like Eder a lot. Some may not agree on here, but I think he is equal to DL Hall. If not for TJ surgery,  he would be a top 100 prospect. So It would have to be mateo and someone else. Mateo and Norby for Eder, yes.

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1 hour ago, Mavericksouth said:

That was my thought too as an outsider. I asked why everyone was so willing to move Mullins when I don't think you have great CF depth behind him. That said, if you all were to do Mullins and Westburg for Lopez and Rojas, we could do the deal, imo.

Don't mistake the desire to move Mullins on this board to anything the Orioles Front Office shares in reality.

Some have been fetishizing trading Mullins every since he broke out.  Such is the life at the OH.

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7 minutes ago, Mavericksouth said:

I like Eder a lot. Some may not agree on here, but I think he is equal to DL Hall. If not for TJ surgery,  he would be a top 100 prospect. So It would have to be mateo and someone else. Mateo and Norby for Eder, yes.

Either Mateo or Norby straight up for Eder is close.   Maybe throw in a Haskin or Hernaiz.  But both Mateo and Norby for a pitcher who is coming off of T.J. seems a little steep.    I think we can use our chips more effectively.   Not desperate yet.

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13 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Don't mistake the desire to move Mullins on this board to anything the Orioles Front Office shares in reality.

Some have been fetishizing trading Mullins every since he broke out.  Such is the life at the OH.

I think it's really just one guy, and to be fair the original thinking was to get teams to overpay for a 5+ WAR 30/30 guy. I personally think it is a good idea explore but would much prefer to trade Hays and/or prospects, and it looks like that framework would be acceptable from the Marlins standpoint. 

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Don't mistake the desire to move Mullins on this board to anything the Orioles Front Office shares in reality.

Some have been fetishizing trading Mullins every since he broke out.  Such is the life at the OH.

I can understand that your young players are blocked so you want to move current mlb players, but Mullins is a stud, IMO. You're basically hoping that Cowser turns into what Mullins is now. Plus the defense would take a drop if you do move him. If the Marlins didn't have multiple holes to fill offensively, I'd do Mullins for Lopez no questions asked. I understand the team control argument as well, but I admit, I am a bit surprised at the willingness to move an all star CF before a guy who is struggling at AAA at the moment. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the potential of Cowser, but its just that...potential. You have tangible evidence with Mullins. Additionally, I actually don't think you guys are THAT far away. You need another power bat in the outfield, and I still think you have a hole at second, which you probably plan to fill internally with Ortiz, Vavra, and/or Norby. The pitching we can probably help you out with (Pablo) and depending on the return, perhaps we could provide another controllable starting arm. 

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8 minutes ago, Mavericksouth said:

I can understand that your young players are blocked so you want to move current mlb players, but Mullins is a stud, IMO. You're basically hoping that Cowser turns into what Mullins is now. Plus the defense would take a drop if you do move him. If the Marlins didn't have multiple holes to fill offensively, I'd do Mullins for Lopez no questions asked. I understand the team control argument as well, but I admit, I am a bit surprised at the willingness to move an all star CF before a guy who is struggling at AAA at the moment. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the potential of Cowser, but its just that...potential. You have tangible evidence with Mullins. Additionally, I actually don't think you guys are THAT far away. You need another power bat in the outfield, and I still think you have a hole at second, which you probably plan to fill internally with Ortiz, Vavra, and/or Norby. The pitching we can probably help you out with (Pablo) and depending on the return, perhaps we could provide another controllable starting arm. 

Who are you replacing Lopez with?    The idea that we are moving a proven player in hopes of replacing him with potential.   Isn't that what you are doing with Lopez?   Granted, I don't know your roster and minor league system but seems to me that you planning on doing the same thing on the pitching end as you are questioning us doing on the position end.

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46 minutes ago, Mavericksouth said:

Just because I'm me, to all Os fans, what would it take from the marlins' perspective to get Cowser?

Problem is, he is by far the top OF in our pipeline. He is exactly the type of guy both our teams should be building around. It makes much more sense for us to build a package around one of the Westburg/Mayo/Norby/Ortiz group. 

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