sportsfan8703 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 If Adley your problem, then you don’t have any problems. Catchers are like NFL running backs nowadays. There’s a reason he went 1:1. He’s Derek Henry and not JK Dobbins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobby Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, wildcard said: Overuse could shorten his career. I would rather they maximize Adley's production by finding how to keep him fresh through the season. Fine, but a 110 game pace is not overuse. Seven catchers exceeded that in 2021. Over the last couple of decades, there’s been a bit of a trend to rest catchers more Here’s a comparison of the number of catchers over 110 starts, and the high, in every year ending in “2” from 1982 to now. 1982: 12, 151 1992: 10, 137 2002: 12, 140 2012: 9, 136 This year there are 5-7 guys who will exceed 110 starts and the max is projected at 131. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA2 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, Frobby said: Fine, but a 110 game pace is not overuse. Seven catchers exceeded that in 2021. Over the last couple of decades, there’s been a bit of a trend to rest catchers more Here’s a comparison of the number of catchers over 110 starts, and the high, in every year ending in “2” from 1982 to now. 1982: 12, 151 1992: 10, 137 2002: 12, 140 2012: 9, 136 This year there are 5-7 guys who will exceed 110 starts and the max is projected at 131. Wow, who caught 151 games?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spleen1015 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 https://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/3723.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZNJ Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Just Regular said: The essential Oriole template, like Brooks and Cal and Machado. Seasons like '66 F. Robinson and '13 Davis have I feel been relatively rare in franchise history relative to how many Hall of Fame and Hall of Very Good guys the Orioles have enjoyed. I don't know. Maybe it's my perception. Those guys were more aggressive hitters. I just feel when I'm watching Rutschman that he's great at not expanding his zone but he's not a great bat to ball guy within the zone. When he gets ahead 2-1, 3-1, I'm not confident he's going to pulverize a fastball in the zone. I guess he was during that one hot streak but otherwise not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobby Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, LA2 said: Wow, who caught 151 games?! Gary Carter. Mind you, that’s starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frobby Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, RZNJ said: I don't know. Maybe it's my perception. Those guys were more aggressive hitters. I just feel when I'm watching Rutschman that he's great at not expanding his zone but he's not a great bat to ball guy within the zone. When he gets ahead 2-1, 3-1, I'm not confident he's going to pulverize a fastball in the zone. I guess he was during that one hot streak but otherwise not so much. That’s fair enough, but let’s not forget he’s a rookie. Here’s what Hyde said yesterday: “[T]he at-bats are so competitive. The lack of chase. He hasn’t even, for me, tapped into the kind of … He’s going to be a really good hitter just because he understands the strike zone, and when he starts piling up at-bats, it’s going to be pretty scary how good he’s going to be.” https://www.masnsports.com/blog/hyde-on-henderson In other words, once he’s seen enough major league pitches, he’s going to hit them with authority more than he does now. And I think that’s probably right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcard Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, Frobby said: Fine, but a 110 game pace is not overuse. Seven catchers exceeded that in 2021. Over the last couple of decades, there’s been a bit of a trend to rest catchers more Here’s a comparison of the number of catchers over 110 starts, and the high, in every year ending in “2” from 1982 to now. 1982: 12, 151 1992: 10, 137 2002: 12, 140 2012: 9, 136 This year there are 5-7 guys who will exceed 110 starts and the max is projected at 131. I was not responding to 110 games. I was responding to using Adley like Molina. You would see that if you read the post i was responding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazmat Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Orioles0615 said: This seems more like a Chrinos/backup catcher problem. They need to get a backup catcher who can hit next year. If you want to keep Adley in the lineup then do what the Giants did with Posey and play him at 1B 30-40 games a year If this is how the O’s see it, it doesn’t bode well for Maverick Handley’s prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
now Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I agree "the problem" isn't with Adley per se; it's with the catcher position, which has to be split almost 1/3 of the games with another guy. Impossible to fill those shoes with an equal talent of offense+defense. So we're left choosing between the Severinos and Chorinos of the world for 50 games a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MijiT88 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, wildcard said: I was not responding to 110 games. I was responding to using Adley like Molina. You would see that if you read the post i was responding to. Yadi has 6 seasons over 130. Most of his seasons falling in between 110-125. Using Adley in that range is not overusing him at all. 110 games as a catcher would put him just in the top 10 in the league on an average year, as to 10 years ago that number would have to be 125+. I fully believe AR can handle the 110-125 starts without concern of wearing him down, especially if hyde doesn't give him day after nights like he ahs been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveA Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 3 hours ago, seak05 said: I agree with this. I wonder if his elite pitch recognition hurts him ie he identifies it early as a breaking ball, and decides to take it assuming it will break...and it's a bad pitch, so it doesn't and turns into a hittable one I think his elite pitch recognition also hurts him occasionally when he is better at recognizing a pitch as a ball than the ump is, and he takes it for a called strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can_of_corn Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, SteveA said: I think his elite pitch recognition also hurts him occasionally when he is better at recognizing a pitch as a ball than the ump is, and he takes it for a called strike. Part of elite pitch recognition is realizing that while a pitch might be called a strike, it is not a pitch you could drive and you are better off not swinging at it as it is unlikely to result in solid contact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orioles0615 Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Hazmat said: If this is how the O’s see it, it doesn’t bode well for Maverick Handley’s prospects. who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarehouseChatter Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 The “Adley problem”? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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