Cubs trade DeRosa to Indians; Does this mean Pie for Olson back on??

[Lucky Jim]

Right, and that's if everything goes right. We could be looking at possibly 20 straight losing seasons if it doesn't...

Had we signed Tex, Burnett and say Sheets or Kawakami, the losing would have ended in 2010 if not 2009 IMO...

You keep saying that the "Rays took 8 years to rebuild" and warning that that's the road ahead of us.

But Friedman was hired in 2006. By your logic, the O's have been "rebuilding" now for 11 years, and so we shouldn't have that much longer to go.

[bigbird]

They'll be better if they can swing the Peavy deal.

Three mid to low level pitchers isn't "talent" IMO.

I guess another way to look at is , are the Orioles a better team before or after the Hernandez trade?

[Roll Tide]

Once they get those things, I will agree with you.

But they are no better now then they were yesterday. They're just cheaper.

Sounds like the Orioles since the end of the season ehh?

[bigbird]

Bigbird... it is apparent what your contact thinks about MacPhail.... what about the rest of the FO?

He likes the new guy. Jordan is good as was Proefrock. Problem is there's not much for them to do.

[Stotle]

I guess another way to look at is , are the Orioles a better team before or after the Hernandez trade?

The organization is better off after the deal. More flexible and Hernandez was a wasted asset for 2009.

[Lucky Jim]

I guess another way to look at is , are the Orioles a better team before or after the Hernandez trade?

Well, that's easy.

After. They've got an upgrade already in the system in Wieters at no extra cost and they upgraded the SS position by something like 1-2 wins and added system depth.

[Roll Tide]

I guess another way to look at is , are the Orioles a better team before or after the Hernandez trade?

Only if you can measure addition by subtraction???

Were the Orioles better without Tejada?

[jcroemer]

He likes the new guy. Jordan is good as was Proefrock. Problem is there's not much for them to do.

What are you implying?

[Fairfax Bird]

He likes the new guy. Jordan is good as was Proefrock. Problem is there's not much for them to do.

I think Stoner wanted to know what the other FO guys think of AM? I know that is what I want to know.

[bigbird]

no kidding... These daily "held hostage" threads are getting silly. what does campaigning against mcphail going to accomplish?

just don't read them

[Stotle]

Only if you can measure addition by subtraction???

Were the Orioles better without Tejada?

The organization was better off, yes.

[Bloopandablast]

Once they get those things, I will agree with you.

But they are no better now then they were yesterday. They're just cheaper.

Part of the plan is also to get more LH. That is done if Bradley signing is imminent.

They can run Miles (at SS) Fontenot, Fukudome and Bradley against tough righties.

[amateurfan]

What's obvious is that marketing analysis (done by our beloved Mr. Beane) shows that signing marquee names only helps attendance if there is an attendant (no pun intended) increase in wins. So, the idea that any of those guys, if they gave us the 3, 4, or 5 more wins they're predicted to, would likely have improved attendance only marginally. And not "filled a good portion of those seats."

So...no, I guess I'm not aware of what you think is obvious.

Sorry to do this to you again, but Johnny said "moves to improve the club" not "sign big names".

I think this is indicative of the commotion here lately. Posters aren't taking the time to read each other's words carefully and then we all get in a tizzy. There is so much generalization going on, not you in this instance Lucky Jim, that I barely can keep track of who is on what side, let alone any nuances.

[jcroemer]

just don't read them

That's why I'm in this "DeRosa to Indians" thread. Relax.

[JTrea81]

What are you implying?

MacPhail makes all the decisions - he micromanages everything...