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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m guessing it’s a split contract, but I have no idea.  

Can't have a major league split contract with no option because there is no way to send him to the minors under the contract.

A minor league contract could included terms on what he earns if his makes the majors. Plus an invite to major league camp.

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That might be the closest to a reasonable explanation for this move that I have heard.   Maybe it's not the talent level, but it's that he has been involved for a year in the pitching development syst

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Filling out the AAA roster for next season.   He will be DFA'd within the next 5 weeks is my guess.

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These moves don’t mean much unless they actually think these guys should be on the 26 or even 40 man roster come ST/OD.

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Can't have a major league split contract with no option because there is no way to send him to the minors under the contract.

A minor league contract could included terms on what he earns if his makes the majors. Plus an invite to major league camp.

Strikes me as verbiage.   The latter is what I’m talking about.  I assume he gets more than the standard MiL salary if he’s in the minors.  But let’s say he’s promoted to the majors, and then they want to send him back down.  That’s the situation to which my questions pertain. 

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4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Strikes me as verbiage.   The latter is what I’m talking about.  I assume he gets more than the standard MiL salary if he’s in the minors.  But let’s say he’s promoted to the majors, and then they want to send him back down.  That’s the situation to which my questions pertain. 

He is like everyone else.  If he has no options left he has to pass through waivers.  If claimed, the team claiming  assumes his contract and pays his salary.  If he passes through waivers he has the right to refuse the assignment and become a free agent because this would be the 2nd right he was outrighted.  1st time was May 27, 2022.

If he accepts the assignment to AAA  I am not sure about his pay.

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8 hours ago, wildcard said:

He is like everyone else.  If he has no options left he has to pass through waivers.  If claimed, the team claiming  assumes his contract and pays his salary.  If he passes through waivers he has the right to refuse the assignment and become a free agent because this would be the 2nd right he was outrighted.  1st time was May 27, 2022.

If he accepts the assignment to AAA  I am not sure about his pay.

I’m not sure you are right that he can refuse an assignment and elect free agency if he passes through waivers.  I think his contract may obligate him to stay in that situation.  Otherwise, why offer Bemboom a contract at all?  What advantage do they gain as opposed to just paying him the amount required under the CBA?

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17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m not sure you are right that he can refuse an assignment and elect free agency if he passes through waivers.  I think his contract may obligate him to stay in that situation.  Otherwise, why offer Bemboom a contract at all?  What advantage do they gain as opposed to just paying him the amount required under the CBA?

The question for me:  Is it a minor league contract or a major league contract? Until we know that we are just chasing our tail.

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CBS Sports:

Bemboom signed a one-year split contract with the Orioles on Wednesday, Andy Kostka of The Baltimore Sun reports.

The deal allows Bemboom to compete for a spot as a backup catcher on the Orioles' Opening Day roster while giving him some extra money if he ends up opening the season at Triple-A Norfolk. The 32-year-old Bemboom saw action in 22 games with Baltimore in 2022, slashing .115/.207/.212 across 59 plate appearances.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/orioles-anthony-bemboom-gets-deal-with-os-for-2022/

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That is a minor league contract because there are no split contracts for major leaguers with no options.  Bemboom is no longer of the 40 man roster.

 

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CBS Sports:

Bemboom signed a one-year split contract with the Orioles on Wednesday, Andy Kostka of The Baltimore Sun reports.

The deal allows Bemboom to compete for a spot as a backup catcher on the Orioles' Opening Day roster while giving him some extra money if he ends up opening the season at Triple-A Norfolk. The 32-year-old Bemboom saw action in 22 games with Baltimore in 2022, slashing .115/.207/.212 across 59 plate appearances.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/orioles-anthony-bemboom-gets-deal-with-os-for-2022/

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That is a minor league contract because there are no split contracts for major leaguers with no options.  Bemboom is no long of the 40 man roster.

 

You say he’s no longer on the 40 man roster, but he would have had to go through waivers to be taken off.  Have we heard that this happened?   He was on the 40 about a week ago.  Why would they do that if they were going to take him right back off and have to expose him to waivers?   Something there doesn’t seem correct.  

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You say he’s no longer on the 40 man roster, but he would have had to go through waivers to be taken off.  Have we heard that this happened?   He was on the 40 about a week ago.  Why would they do that if they were going to take him right back off and have to expose him to waivers?   Something there doesn’t seem correct.  

At the end of the season he was a minor leaguer and therefore eligible to declare himself a minor league free agent.  The O's wanted to keep him in the system so they put him on the 40 man.   Then passing him through waivers the claiming team would have to put him on their major league roster which Elias knew was unlikely.   So yes he had to go through waivers and must have cleared.   Then the O's signed him to a minor league contract with a ST invitation.

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At the end of the season he was a minor leaguer and therefore eligible to declare himself a minor league free agent.  The O's wanted to keep him in the system so they put him on the 40 man.   Then passing him through waivers the claiming team would have to put him on their major league roster which Elias knew was unlikely.   So yes he had to go through waivers and must have cleared.   Then the O's signed him to a minor league contract with a ST invitation.

You could be right, but we’ve heard nothing about Bemboom having been put on waivers.  The O’s website still shows Bemboom on the 40-man.  https://www.mlb.com/orioles/roster/40-man  The site isn’t always perfectly up to date, so we’ll see.  

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Ye of little faith.    I worked contracts for years.

The point of these contracts is to incentive the player from leaving if he goes to AAA. He can opt out but then his money would be less elsewhere at AAA. 
 

He is on the 40.  

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