DL Hall 2023

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, CharmCityHokie said:

I say push him to the Zac(h)k Britton route and make him a power lefty out of the 'pen. We really don't have many starting prospects so if our pitchers on the major league team are going to all be 5-and-dive, we need the best damn bullpen out there.

I just have the feeling that Hall and the Elias development team aren't a good fit.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Such a crock.  In the minors you pitch once every six days, because every Monday is a day off.  There isn’t that much difference between pitching 5-6 innings last week and throwing 3 last week. He was on normal rest both his last 2 outings.  

It’s not a crock. They stopped him from throwing his last outing. He came in a little more rusty.  He threw 40-50 less pitches than he normally would have thrown.

Again, not saying it’s ok he pitches poorly but I’m not surprised at all that he didn’t pitch well early and that’s when he got buried.

 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I just have the feeling that Hall and the Elias development team aren't a good fit.

Right. Now, the velo was up, so who knows what they did and maybe it ultimately will do him well since they apparently wanted him to gain some strength in this deloading stuff.

We will see if it works or if it’s more pitching development Bs.

[Otter]

11 hours ago, CharmCityHokie said:

I say push him to the Zac(h)k Britton route and make him a power lefty out of the 'pen. We really don't have many starting prospects so if our pitchers on the major league team are going to all be 5-and-dive, we need the best damn bullpen out there.

That's certainly tempting, but like you said we have very few legit starting pitching prospects so I think we need to keep trying DL as a starter for at least the next year before giving up and putting him in the bullpen.

[Aristotelian]

11 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I just have the feeling that Hall and the Elias development team aren't a good fit.

I just have the feeling Hall sucks and isn't going to be a successful starter. 

[RVAOsFan]

I think Elias was very transparent last week that they are working with Hall to get his strength back after the early season back issues.  I don't think right now is the time to be too concerned with results.  If he comes back with his previous velocity and some of the better command we have been hearing about early this season I think we will be pretty happy.

[Can_of_corn]

12 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I just have the feeling Hall sucks and isn't going to be a successful starter. 

Shocking you would take that view.

[Bemorewins]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I just have the feeling Hall sucks and isn't going to be a successful starter. 

I don't think that he sucks or doesn't have talent. But I think it is very fair to be skeptical regarding his chances of being even a league average starting pitcher. He will be 25 this season, has not shown consistent ability to go deep in games or even dominate at the AAA level. Other than the great strikeout rate, (which IMO is cancelled out by the walks) what does he have or has done that makes anyone confident that he could be a good big league starter?

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I don't think that he sucks or doesn't have talent. But I think it is very fair to be skeptical regarding his chances of being even a league average starting pitcher. He will be 25 this season, has not shown consistent ability to go deep in games or even dominate at the AAA level. Other than the great strikeout rate, (which IMO is cancelled out by the walks) what does he have or has done that makes anyone confident that he could be a good big league starter?

I haven’t ruled out that Hall will become a solid to good major league starter, but I’ve become more pessimistic.  He does still have four potential plus pitches, but his fastball has lost velocity (and I don’t mean just this year) and his command hasn’t really improved much with time.  I get that it’s a process and sometimes progress isn’t linear when it comes to pitchers, but he’s in his second option year now, so time is beginning to run short.  

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

I don't think that he sucks or doesn't have talent. But I think it is very fair to be skeptical regarding his chances of being even a league average starting pitcher. He will be 25 this season, has not shown consistent ability to go deep in games or even dominate at the AAA level. Other than the great strikeout rate, (which IMO is cancelled out by the walks) what does he have or has done that makes anyone confident that he could be a good big league starter?

He has immense  talent and a high ceiling.

He isn’t likely to reach that ceiling and he is far more likely to be a reliever Vs a starter. That has been the case, arguably, since the day he was drafted.

That said, there is no rush to move him out of the rotation and really, untiL his velo gets back to where it needs to be(last night was a good step in that direction), it’s tough to say what he is right now and it’s tough to say, let’s put him in the ML pen because he doesn’t have all of his weapons.

He still hasn’t thrown many pro innings. Just needs to pitch and his experience and continue to stay healthy.

We have no idea what his back issue was this offseason or how much it truly set him back. 

[jabba72]

15 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

A lot more 94-95 MPh tonight at least.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?date=2023-05-23&chartType=pitch&legendType=pitchName&playerType=pitcher&inning=&count=&pitchHand=&batSide=&descFilter=&ptFilter=&resultFilter=&hf=pitchVelocity&sportId=11

One of Hall's FB's was 96.1. Hopefully the velocity is returning. 

[baltfan]

He reminds me a lot of a young Arthur Rhodes. Such a tempting arm, but seems destined for the bullpen. 

[Aristotelian]

4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Shocking you would take that view.

Not sure why you say that? I am generally wildly optimistic on Orioles prospects, to a fault. Still am on Grayson. 

[Can_of_corn]

21 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Not sure why you say that? I am generally wildly optimistic on Orioles prospects, to a fault. Still am on Grayson. 

Because you didn't understand what I was actually saying.

You are blaming the player instead of blaming the team or, as I did, suggest that the player and the team are just not compatible from a developmental standpoint.

Their was an almost universally held view that Hall had a ton of potential when Elias and company arrived.  If he now "sucks" what happened in the intervening years? 

 

[Aristotelian]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because you didn't understand what I was actually saying.

You are blaming the player instead of blaming the team or, as I did, suggest that the player and the team are just not compatible from a developmental standpoint.

Their was an almost universally held view that Hall had a ton of potential when Elias and company arrived.  If he now "sucks" what happened in the intervening years? 

 

I understood what you were saying and have a different opinion. He was drafted pre-Elias and has always had issues with walks and inconsistency. Nothing "happened," he just is who he is and failed to develop.

Still not sure what was meant by "Shocking you would take that view" except that I have generally been down on Hall, but whatever.