DL Hall 2023

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

You could make maple syrup out of all the dripping sarcasm in this thread.  

It's just frustrating to have folks go "Why can't Mateo bunt?", "Why can't Hall throw strikes?" "Why can't Mountcastle lay off the slider?"

These things are very hard to do.  They aren't just choosing to fail.

[Sports Guy]

19 minutes ago, baltfan said:

There is no room for Hall if they both are up plus Danny. 

There is always room if you want it to be.

[baltfan]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

There is always room if you want it to be.

You have 14 spots after 9/1.  You have your current 6 starters.  Next is Bautista, Cano, Webb, Means, Wells, Perez, Couloumbe, and Fuji.  Who goes for Hall?

 And the above is with Voth being cut.   

Edited August 24, 2023 by baltfan

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, baltfan said:

You have 14 spots after 9/1.  You have your current 6 starters.  Next is Bautista, Cano, Webb, Means, Wells, Perez, Couloumbe, and Fuji.  Who goes for Hall?

 And the above is with Voth being cut.   

Fuji…or maybe you don’t have 6 starters anymore, which I don’t think they will. Maybe Irvin goes down. Or maybe they shut down Grayson. Or maybe Hall doesn’t come immediately but does as the month goes on.

The point is, if they believe Hall is one of the best guys and he can help them where they need the most help, they will find a way to get him here.

[baltfan]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Fuji…or maybe you don’t have 6 starters anymore, which I don’t think they will. Maybe Irvin goes down. Or maybe they shut down Grayson. Or maybe Hall doesn’t come immediately but does as the month goes on.

The point is, if they believe Hall is one of the best guys and he can help them where they need the most help, they will find a way to get him here.

There is no reason to believe Hall is better than those guys.  Irvin has a  less than 2.00 ERA since he came back. 

[Sports Guy]

21 minutes ago, baltfan said:

There is no reason to believe Hall is better than those guys.  Irvin has a  less than 2.00 ERA since he came back. 

There is plenty of reason to think he is or at least can be. Elias clearly believes it too or else he wouldn’t have him relieving right now to see if he can help the team down the stretch.

[baltfan]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

There is plenty of reason to think he is or at least can be. Elias clearly believes it too or else he wouldn’t have him relieving right now to see if he can help the team down the stretch.

Only the next month matters.  He has to clearly be an improvement.  

[dzorange]

19 hours ago, baltfan said:

There is no reason to believe Hall is better than those guys.  Irvin has a  less than 2.00 ERA since he came back. 

Since he came back from the minors? Since June 10 he has a 3.00 ERA. He's pitched well enough. He's striking out 8 batters per 9 in that timeframe. Hall is striking out 22 batters per 9 in the last month (a small sample size of 10.2 innings).

I don't know what kind of value Irvin would have in the playoffs outside of long relief. I think a healthy Means would have priority over Irvin. Not sure how many starters/long relief guys you really want on your playoff roster.

Edited August 25, 2023 by dzorange

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, dzorange said:

Since he came back from the minors? Since June 10 he has a 3.00 ERA. He's pitched well enough. He's striking out 8 batters per 9 in that timeframe. Hall is striking out 22 batters per 9 in the last month (a small sample size of 10.2 innings).

I don't know what kind of value Irvin would have in the playoffs outside of long relief. I think a healthy Means would have priority over Irvin. Not sure how many starters/long relief guys you really want on your playoff roster.

Yea that’s really the key. Playoff bullpens are just different. 

[turtlebowl]

39 minutes ago, dzorange said:

Since he came back from the minors? Since June 10 he has a 3.00 ERA. He's pitched well enough. He's striking out 8 batters per 9 in that timeframe. Hall is striking out 22 batters per 9 in the last month (a small sample size of 10.2 innings).

I don't know what kind of value Irvin would have in the playoffs outside of long relief. I think a healthy Means would have priority over Irvin. Not sure how many starters/long relief guys you really want on your playoff roster.

I could be in the minority here but I don't think I am trusting Means during a playoff run.  It will take him a while to get everything back and that is assuming he does get everything back.  I would go with the guys that were instrumental in getting us to the playoffs.  Means will get his opportunity next season.

[dzorange]

40 minutes ago, turtlebowl said:

I could be in the minority here but I don't think I am trusting Means during a playoff run.  It will take him a while to get everything back and that is assuming he does get everything back.  I would go with the guys that were instrumental in getting us to the playoffs.  Means will get his opportunity next season.

I don't really disagree with you, but it seems like the O's are intent on pushing Means back.

[Malike]

Ryu just came back from TJ a bit earlier than Means and he's been highly effective in 4 starts with a 1.89 ERA.

[Three Run Homer]

I don't have a problem with Means getting a couple of starts in September to see how he looks.  Maybe he can help us; maybe he's too rusty.  He would have to earn his way onto the playoff roster.  

[Three Run Homer]

Just now, Three Run Homer said:

I don't have a problem with Means getting a couple of starts in September to see how he looks.  Maybe he can help us; maybe he's too rusty.  He would have to earn his way onto the playoff roster.  

And the same goes for giving Hall an opportunity in the bullpen.  

[justD]

Every time I've checked on the path of Idalia, Valdosta GA has come up.  And every time, I think of DL and hope his kin are doing okay and that he's not too distracted by it, as I know I would be.