Austin Voth 2023

[HakunaSakata]

4 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

A lot of inaccuracies and hyperbole in this post. I'm not saying Voth is not replaceable, but I'm not ready to throw him away yet.

What am I missing? Aside from last season, when has Austin Voth shown any amount of success that merits giving him a long leash? 

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GP	GS	W	L	W%	WAR	ERA	WHIP	IP	K	BB	K/BB	H	R	ER	SV	HLD	BLSV
4	2	1	1	.500	-0.1	6.57	1.46	12.1	11	6	1.8	12	9	9	0	0	0
9	8	2	1	.667	1.2	3.30	1.05	43.2	44	13	3.4	33	16	16	0	0	0
11	11	2	5	.286	0.3	6.34	1.51	49.2	44	18	2.4	57	36	35	0	0	0
49	1	4	1	.800	-0.4	5.34	1.48	57.1	59	28	2.1	57	35	34	0	7	6
19	0	0	0	.000	-0.8	10.13	2.14	18.2	18	6	3.0	34	22	21	0	1	0
22	17	5	4	.556	1.8	3.04	1.23	83.0	72	25	2.9	77	30	28	0	0	0
4	0	0	1	.000	-0.4	10.50	2.00	6.0	6	1	6.0	11	7	7	0	1	0
118	39	14	13	.519	--	4.99	1.40	270.2	254	97	2.6	281	155	150	0	9	6
17	6	2	2	.519	-	4.99	1.40	38.6	36	14	2.6	40	22	21	0	1	1

 

[Tony-OH]

2 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

What am I missing? Aside from last season, when has Austin Voth shown any amount of success that merits giving him a long leash? 

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GP	GS	W	L	W%	WAR	ERA	WHIP	IP	K	BB	K/BB	H	R	ER	SV	HLD	BLSV
4	2	1	1	.500	-0.1	6.57	1.46	12.1	11	6	1.8	12	9	9	0	0	0
9	8	2	1	.667	1.2	3.30	1.05	43.2	44	13	3.4	33	16	16	0	0	0
11	11	2	5	.286	0.3	6.34	1.51	49.2	44	18	2.4	57	36	35	0	0	0
49	1	4	1	.800	-0.4	5.34	1.48	57.1	59	28	2.1	57	35	34	0	7	6
19	0	0	0	.000	-0.8	10.13	2.14	18.2	18	6	3.0	34	22	21	0	1	0
22	17	5	4	.556	1.8	3.04	1.23	83.0	72	25	2.9	77	30	28	0	0	0
4	0	0	1	.000	-0.4	10.50	2.00	6.0	6	1	6.0	11	7	7	0	1	0
118	39	14	13	.519	--	4.99	1.40	270.2	254	97	2.6	281	155	150	0	9	6
17	6	2	2	.519	-	4.99	1.40	38.6	36	14	2.6	40	22	21	0	1	1

 

"aside from last season". And outside of a horrible stretch in 2021 when he allowed 17 ER in 7.2 IP (19.96 ERA), he pitched well in 2021 too. 

I think Voth is fine as a bulk reliever, but he's been misused with mid-inning use. Do I think he's replaceable, sure, but I don't think he just gets dumped because of a few bad pitches.

 

[Aristotelian]

21 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

"aside from last season". And outside of a horrible stretch in 2021 when he allowed 17 ER in 7.2 IP (19.96 ERA), he pitched well in 2021 too. 

I think Voth is fine as a bulk reliever, but he's been misused with mid-inning use. Do I think he's replaceable, sure, but I don't think he just gets dumped because of a few bad pitches.

 

He was horrible all spring too. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

I will say this if Voth is pitching with an injury and not letting the coaching staff know it then he needs to fess up. Because pitching his way through a potential injury isn't working just go on the IL.

[Billy F-Face3]

15 hours ago, wildcard said:

Voth is out of options so he has to be exposed to waivers to be send him down.  Probably gets claimed.  He is makes 1.85M.   Its been 11 games.  Too early for that move.  Best thing the O's can do is put him on mop  up duty while they try to fix him.

I think the next move is to option Gillaspie and call up Krehbiel to eat up some of these innings.

Gillaspie has been one of the better relief pitchers from the bullpen so far this season. He's earned his spot at this point in time so far. Best case scenario is the Orioles give Voth a spot start where he succeeds, and then they work out a cheap trade just to clear out his salary from the team's books and make room for another bullpen arm that is more comfortable being a relief pitcher specialist.

Voth has the ability to provide a team with some value, just not as a bullpen pitcher (it seems).  

I will also mention that it complicates things to know that Voth has the same agent as Adley Rutschmen. Obviously, we want to be on good terms with Rutschmen and his agent.

The breaking balls haven't been spinning and moving this year and our breaking ball pitchers have been getting hit hard because of it. I have no idea about it, by in my mind I am wondering if the ball is juiced or if something is different with the baseballs this season.  Some of those balls in tonight's game carried way farther than it looked like the contact would have made them go.

 

[Billy F-Face3]

16 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

Spring Training Stats for Voth:

IP - 10.2

Hits - 15

Home Runs - 4

WHIP - 1.69

ERA - 6.75

K/BB - 7/3

These are not solid numbers, and the ineffectiveness has carried over into the season.  I guess he made the team because of the Tate and Givens injury, but we someone more effective right now. 

People who say Spring Training doesn't matter are nuts. Spring Training shows who is currently locked in with their skill set and who's not.  Francy Cordero, Austin Hays, Ryan Mountcastle all slugged in Spring Training. And what we saw from other hitters (good or bad) also carried over into the regular season. Same with the pitchers for the most part. Some of those pitchers (like Baker) were able to get locked in after a few appearances in the Regular Season.  Let's hope Austin Voth can do the same.

[wildcard]

7 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

Gillaspie has been one of the better relief pitchers from the bullpen so far this season. He's earned his spot at this point in time so far. Best case scenario is the Orioles give Voth a spot start where he succeeds, and then they work out a cheap trade just to clear out his salary from the team's books and make room for another bullpen arm that is more comfortable being a relief pitcher specialist.

Voth has the ability to provide a team with some value, just not as a bullpen pitcher (it seems).  

I will also mention that it complicates things to know that Voth has the same agent as Adley Rutschmen. Obviously, we want to be on good terms with Rutschmen and his agent.

The breaking balls haven't been spinning and moving this year and our breaking ball pitchers have been getting hit hard because of it. I have no idea about it, by in my mind I am wondering if the ball is juiced or if something is different with the baseballs this season.  Some of those balls in tonight's game carried way farther than it looked like the contact would have made them go.

 

With two days off in the next week the O's don't need five starters on the roster.  Kremer or Irvin can be optioned.   They can swap one for Krehbiel to help the pen.   Bradish has a  start at Bowie on Friday.  If he shows he is healthy he can be activated when his next turn would be.

I see Voth shifting to mop up duty.

Edited April 13, 2023 by wildcard

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

With two days off in the next week the O's don't need five starters on the roster.  Kremer or Irvin can be optioned.   They can swap one for Krehbiel to help the pen.   Bradish has a  start at Bowie on Friday.  If he shows he is healthy he can be activated when his next turn would be.

I see Voth shifting to mop up duty.

I would be shocked if they option either one. The days off alone should help the pen. 

[Frobby]

22 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

4 walks and 6 hits from 2 strike counts is pretty far from being dominant. And that was against a poor lineup.

The point is, he’s regularly getting into two strike counts.  Obviously he needs to do a better job of finishing them off.  But if he starts doing that, things change quickly. 

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, eddie83 said:

I would be shocked if they option either one. The days off alone should help the pen. 

They still have the White Sox series to go through and the pen is cooked.   I think Kremer probably is optioned but it could be Irvin if he blows up today.

[sportsfan8703]

4 hours ago, wildcard said:

With two days off in the next week the O's don't need five starters on the roster.  Kremer or Irvin can be optioned.   They can swap one for Krehbiel to help the pen.   Bradish has a  start at Bowie on Friday.  If he shows he is healthy he can be activated when his next turn would be.

I see Voth shifting to mop up duty.

I kind of like the idea of swapping Kremer for Khriebel. Let Kremer make a start in AAA and get right. Khriebel would give us a fresh arm in MR. As much magic as Voth had last year, so did Khreibel until the end. 

[HakunaSakata]

One batter / one HR today for Voth and he's allowed a HR in five games now. I swear to god if this guy is still on the team tomorrow...

[AdamK]

Wonder how the pitch clock and engagement/dis-engagement management may be impacting some pitchers. I know this is grasping at straws but perhaps the extra complications on the mount exacerbate the process for those who already have a tenuous command of game management out there.

[Aristotelian]

Any chance the two innings today were an effort to get as much out of his arm as we can before a DFA? There's got to be a move after today, right? Keep an eye on who at Norfolk doesn't pitch tonight. 

[Brooks The Great]

6 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I kind of like the idea of swapping Kremer for Khriebel. Let Kremer make a start in AAA and get right. Khriebel would give us a fresh arm in MR. As much magic as Voth had last year, so did Khreibel until the end. 

Get both Krehbiel and Vespi up. DFA Voth and option Kremer or Irvin (probably Irvin).