Ortiz vs Westburg

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, owknows said:

Shut up

Who do you think you are to give orders?

Go ahead and put me on /ignore if you like.

 

[SemperFi]

4 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

The entire season kind of rests on whether or not he goes on a heater in late October or is stone cold.He can be a one man wrecking ball for a few weeks at a time. 

Respect your opinion but I think the Orioles season/ (success) depends much more on starting pitching then Mountcastle.

[deward]

I voted to keep Westburg, for the higher offensive ceiling, but I think there's a path for both to stay. A 2025 lineup could look something like this:

C - Adley

1b - Mayo

2b - Ortiz/Holliday (if the O's truly value defense above all else, Holliday should be the one who moves over)

3b - Gunnar

SS - Ortiz/Holliday

LF - Cowser

CF - Mullins (there's no true CF replacement in the system, so leaving him here for now)

RF - Kjerstad

DH - Westburg

In this scenario, Westburg could rotate with several players to give them turns at DH.

[Bemorewins]

21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Small correction, they aren't under multi-year contracts.  All of them can be non-tendered by the team during the off-season.

 

 

Um... I think I kind of knew that and assume most knowledgable baseball fans know that too. But I appreciate the correction. You stay on it bud! 

[HelenaEngineer]

How could anyone possible give an informed answer to this question without knowing what the respective offers would be for the two players? Is this a hypothetical where the return is identical?

[owknows]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Who do you think you are to give orders?

Go ahead and put me on /ignore if you like.

 

OK... here I am in an awkward situation... where I was agreeing with your point by being sarcastically silly...

And am looking at your reply wondering if you're being sarcastically sillier than me... or if you took me seriously.

I'm usually pretty good at reading internet sarcasm... but you're an enigma

[Fiver6565]

I haven't seen Westburg play but it seems to be a bat vs defense type of decision.  Ortiz has been smooth as silk at both SS and 3B in his limited time so far with the O's - that's awfully enticing to keep around for a while.

[Bemorewins]

3 minutes ago, deward said:

I voted to keep Westburg, for the higher offensive ceiling, but I think there's a path for both to stay. A 2025 lineup could look something like this:

C - Adley

1b - Mayo

2b - Ortiz/Holliday (if the O's truly value defense above all else, Holliday should be the one who moves over)

3b - Gunnar

SS - Ortiz/Holliday

LF - Cowser

CF - Mullins (there's no true CF replacement in the system, so leaving him here for now)

RF - Kjerstad

DH - Westburg

In this scenario, Westburg could rotate with several players to give them turns at DH.

That lineup looks great and young. But in that scenario, no one was traded, so I assume we have the starting pitching or all of our young guys too?

If that were the case, how likely we would be to succeed in the postseason with a subpar rotation? 

Maybe I value starting pitching more than most. But it seems that most Octobers come down to that.

[HandsomeQuack]

6 minutes ago, HelenaEngineer said:

How could anyone possible give an informed answer to this question without knowing what the respective offers would be for the two players? Is this a hypothetical where the return is identical?

We can't, it's a weekday afternoon and we're killing time.

[deward]

2 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

That lineup looks great and young. But in that scenario, no one was traded, so I assume we have the starting pitching or all of our young guys too?

If that were the case, how likely we would be to succeed in the postseason with a subpar rotation? 

Maybe I value starting pitching more than most. But it seems that most Octobers come down to that.

Depends on what you think Grayson/Kremer/Bradish settle in as. By 2025, I'm going to optimistically assume that Grayson has established himself as the top guy. Kremer and Bradish seem like they should at least be serviceable mid-rotation guys on a playoff team. If you're a Povich fan, he should be up by then. One of Hays/Santander/Urias might bring an arm back (not an ace). Also, guys like Stowers, Beavers, Willems, and Basallo become your new trade chips for an upgrade sometime in 2024/2025. For 2023, you roll with you have, or what you can get without giving up the core guys.

[Can_of_corn]

8 minutes ago, owknows said:

OK... here I am in an awkward situation... where I was agreeing with your point by being sarcastically silly...

And am looking at your reply wondering if you're being sarcastically sillier than me... or if you took me seriously.

I'm usually pretty good at reading internet sarcasm... but you're an enigma

Y'all need to understand, I'm on medical leave from work.  I've barely left the house for a week and a half and I'm bored out of my skull.

The lengths I'll go to amuse myself and pretty far atm.

[deward]

You'd also have a fully-healthy Means

[Can_of_corn]

13 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Um... I think I kind of knew that and assume most knowledgable baseball fans know that too. But I appreciate the correction. You stay on it bud! 

So be correct?

It isn't more effort to just be correct, if you understood the actual situation.

Edited May 26, 2023 by Can_of_corn

[maybenxtyr]

3 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

That lineup looks great and young. But in that scenario, no one was traded, so I assume we have the starting pitching or all of our young guys too?

If that were the case, how likely we would be to succeed in the postseason with a subpar rotation? 

Maybe I value starting pitching more than most. But it seems that most Octobers come down to that.

Even with his scenario there's still trades to be made. Once again, it comes back to who are they trading for? Right now there's not a lot to pick from. Whether guys are underperforming or teams still feel that they have a chance. I suspect that by the trade deadline there will be more options available.

 

Elias will have to get creative to get pitching (I don't believe it will be an ace regardless), and working in inexpensive productive prospects.

[owknows]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Y'all need to understand, I'm on medical leave from work.  I've barely left the house for a week and a half and I'm bored out of my skull.

The lengths I'll go to amuse myself and pretty far atm.

You should have just said "shut up".