Arm injury for Bautista?

[Paul in Virginia]

 

 

[Moose Milligan]

Good news if he can get back for the playoffs. Changes the makeup of the bullpen dramatically. 

[Just Regular]

The first outing of the play I think has to come during the regular season.

Even if there's only say four chunks of 20 pitches at game intensity before something gives, I'd like evidence the first chunk of 20 pitches in a game is good enough. 

I'd make it a medium to low leverage spot too.    If it occurs during the WAS-BOS homestand, I hope the marketing contract with Hyundai doesn't have anybody feeling boxed in.    Is the lights show appropriate mid-game?

   

[mddisney]

IMO, he is coming back and i bet he come back for the last week of the season for in game tests.  I would really like to see what the fastball velocity is in the BP session.

[Sports Guy]

Maybe the feeling is, if he can pitch through it, let him. He’s not likely to make things any worse and he’s still likely to have TJ surgery and miss all of next year, so whether he has the surgery now or a month from now, it doesn’t change much.

[Jim'sKid26]

The timing makes sense. If he can throw without pain, which that video appears to endorse, then he likely to pitch soon if he's effective. I could see him pitching live BP soon. That will give the pitching folks a good idea of how his stuff will play.

[RZNJ]

He looked like he was throwing at about a 50% effort but it certainly looks like they think he can come back at some point this year.

[Pat Kelly]

But he also doesn’t have to be the 9th inning guy either.  Bring him to get a few key outs/K’s.  Limit pitch count and pick the spots.  

[Just Regular]

I missed most of it, but turning TV on at lunchtime, caught about four seconds of Elias on Christopher Russo's High Heat show just now.

"in its infancy", "day to day", "doing best we can" were the phrases he gave this hour regarding Bautista's status.

[dzorange]

I think this is a matter of risk/reward. I don’t think Bautista will be available in the wildcard or division series.

The ALCS and the World Series? Maybe

[Frobby]

On 8/26/2023 at 5:40 PM, Frobby said:

I just wanted to put down some markers for where our bullpen stood prior to Bautista’s injury (including last night for this purpose).

The pen had a 3.55 ERA and had thrown 3.56 innings per game. The team had 67 save opportunities and saved 41, a 61% rate.  Bautista had 33 saves in 39 chances.  The pen had an outstanding 35-16 record.  

We’ll see how it goes from here.  
 

So, the performance of the bullpen once Bautista went down was virtually unchanged.   They finished with a 3.55 ERA, same as before Bautista got hurt.  They threw 3.55 innings per game, 0.01 below where they were when Bautista got hurt.  They finished with a 61% save rate, same as before Bautista got hurt (49 of 80 opportunities).   The final bullpen record was 45-21 (.682), so they went 10-5 (.667) after Bautista went down.  

Overall, just a great job of stepping up by the other guys once Bautista got hurt. 
 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

So, the performance of the bullpen once Bautista went down was virtually unchanged.   They finished with a 3.55 ERA, same as before Bautista got hurt.  They threw 3.55 innings per game, 0.01 below where they were when Bautista got hurt.  They finished with a 61% save rate, same as before Bautista got hurt (49 of 80 opportunities).   The final bullpen record was 45-21 (.682), so they went 10-5 (.667) after Bautista went down.  

Overall, just a great job of stepping up by the other guys once Bautista got hurt. 
 

This is true..if ERA is the only stat you look at.

[Frobby]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

This is true..if ERA is the only stat you look at.

I literally just looked at four different stats.   

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Frobby said:

I literally just looked at four different stats.   

Sorry, I missed those stats that virtually mean nothing. 
 

There is very little importance to any of that. I mean, do you actually believe this pen is as good? Do you feel as good about the pen?

Outside of the walk rate, all your peripheral stats were far worse. No one really stepped up as that go to, slam the door shut guy. 
 

It’s an enormous drop off.

[Frobby]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Sorry, I missed those stats that virtually mean nothing. 
 

There is very little importance to any of that. I mean, do you actually believe this pen is as good? Do you feel as good about the pen?

Outside of the walk rate, all your peripheral stats were far worse. No one really stepped up as that go to, slam the door shut guy. 
 

It’s an enormous drop off.

There’s always an agenda with you.  I’m not arguing that the bullpen is as good without Bautista as with him.  I was paying a compliment to the rest of the bullpen for stepping up in his absence over the remainder of the regular season.  And clearly, they did.   Some people were worried that there would be a catastrophic drop-off and a huge domino effect, but it didn’t happen.  Here are some individuals who stepped up IMO:

D.L. Hall — threw to a 2.70 ERA in 16.1 IP after Bautista went down.  

Cionel Perez — 2.61 ERA in 10.1 IP

Cole Irvin — 0 ER in 7.2 innings of relief.  I never did understand why he got optioned, which took away one of our few long relief options.  

Tyler Wells - 0 ER in 5 innings over the last 9 days of the season after being activated.   I’ll be very glad to have him in our bullpen in the playoffs.  

Now, am I confident in how our bullpen will do in the playoffs?   I’d put myself somewhere in the middle.  I’m not nearly as confident as I’d be if Bautista was closing out games, but I think our bullpen is competent and that the 5 days off will do them a world of good.  Cano in particular will benefit, and the addition of Wells and one of the other starters will help too.  So, we’ll see how it goes.