Dillon Tate 2024

[Safelykept]

51 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

The O's don't have a single dominant arm on the bullpen, but compared to someone like Webb I would call him good.  O's need to pray Coulombe is back and healthy for the playoffs and add 1 more dominant back end arm.  The O's pen is full of question marks.

Yeah and show me a team that BP doesn't have question marks and I'll show you a team that has other question marks. Plus the guys have been quite effective at times.

[Safelykept]

9 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

never a Tate fan and hes done little to change my mind...but we have very little else at this point...

Just wait until he throws 4 or 5 good outings. Kind of like Brian Baker who ripped every bodies heart out against Texas last year< comes up throws 5 very effective innings, let him throw another 5, and this board (including me) will be like Brian Baker Huh.

[OnlyOneOriole]

46 minutes ago, Safelykept said:

Just wait until he throws 4 or 5 good outings. Kind of like Brian Baker who ripped every bodies heart out against Texas last year< comes up throws 5 very effective innings, let him throw another 5, and this board (including me) will be like Brian Baker Huh.

It's always possible.  I just don't think he has it in him.  Even when he is 'on', he never really seems on. 

 

[HowAboutThat]

I get as frustrated as anyone, and I’m keeping remembering the money guys Patton Oday Strop and Johnson.

dependable as sunrise.

But we’re still doing ok, so maybe we don’t need to torch the place just yet.

It would be nice to have some arms in the minors to audition, though.

[OnlyOneOriole]

12 minutes ago, Philip said:

I get as frustrated as anyone, and I’m keeping remembering the money guys Patton Oday Strop and Johnson.

dependable as sunrise.

But we’re still doing ok, so maybe we don’t need to torch the place just yet.

It would be nice to have some arms in the minors to audition, though.

Agree.  It is kind of crazy how bare our pitching prospect kitchen in the minors is.   Even the top guys?  It is really hard to get excited about them,

But that was Elias's strategy drafting and it has worked out well so far....so we shall see.

[Aristotelian]

4 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Tate was good in 2022 because, for the first time in his career, he threw strikes at a high rate.  When he’s not doing that, he’s dime a dozen.  

He has a 109 ERA+ for his career. Since his rookie year his ERA+ has never been below 102. I don't think he his great, but I think it is fair to say he is average or a little better. Not sure if that's what you mean by "dime a dozen" but Tate is a fine pitcher for low-medium leverage. 

[OnlyOneOriole]

4 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

He has a 109 ERA+ for his career. Since his rookie year his ERA+ has never been below 102. I don't think he his great, but I think it is fair to say he is average or a little better. Not sure if that's what you mean by "dime a dozen" but Tate is a fine pitcher for low-medium leverage. 

I think he used to be fair to a little better.  Maybe even a tad bit more than a little better.

But now?   He stinks. 

[Aristotelian]

16 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

I think he used to be fair to a little better.  Maybe even a tad bit more than a little better.

But now?   He stinks. 

What is your basis for that opinion? He is pitching within his career norms this year.

[bpilktree]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

I get as frustrated as anyone, and I’m keeping remembering the money guys Patton Oday Strop and Johnson.

dependable as sunrise.

But we’re still doing ok, so maybe we don’t need to torch the place just yet.

It would be nice to have some arms in the minors to audition, though.

Injuries have taken a toll on teams pitching depth.  You used to be able to get by with 6-7 starters and 9-10 guys in the pen for most the year.  Now you have teams needing 9-10 starters and 13-15 relievers.  The depth then pushes guys to pitch in areas they are not suited for either as a reliever or even moving guys into rotation because of need.  Teams that had pitching depth all the sudden were being forced to move guys from the pen to the rotation.  AJ Puk has been pretty dominant as a reliever last few years but the Marlins were forced to move him to rotation and he was abysmal there so they had to move him back and now he is turning his season around.