Kyle Bradish 2024

[OriolesMagic83]

More PRP please, mom!

[LookitsPuck]

13 minutes ago, dystopia said:

I may be grasping at straws here, but the fact that they haven’t ILed him might mean he’s okay. Seems stupid to waste a roster spot on a guy with a torn UCL. 

They might still do that tomorrow for Cade.

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

It wouldn’t be surprising if Bradish had a tired arm.

Seems this is probably right. 

[Bemorewins]

25 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:

Bad news’s is I don’t see the front office doing both, they will hoard more 

Then the WS is no longer a goal or a super long shot at best.

This is out only guaranteed season with Burnes and only 3 more years of Adley and 4 of Gunnar after this. There comes a point where you cannot afford to punt present opportunities for future possibilities as time keeps passing and the clock keeps ticking. There are no guarantees about regarding the future and there is nothing to say that this might be our best chance or one of our best chances. If we continue to wait for the stars to align perfectly that day may never come. Toronto, San Diego, the White Sox can all recently testify to this. 

[dystopia]

25 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

They might still do that tomorrow for Cade.

Yeah but if it was a torn UCL wouldn't they have just ILed him immediately to free up a roster spot for a fresh arm? Seems like poor roster management otherwise and that doesn't sound like Elias.

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, dystopia said:

Yeah but if it was a torn UCL wouldn't they have just ILed him immediately to free up a roster spot for a fresh arm? Seems like poor roster management otherwise and that doesn't sound like Elias.

I don't think the roster spot was that important until they get forced to make a move. They really don't have any RP in the MiL's beating down the door, and I don't think they want to mess up the couple of starters they have converting them to relief just yet. Putting Bradish on the IL for Povich makes sense...id that's what they end up doing.

[bpilktree]

It’s going to be interesting in future with so many starters going down in MLB.  The Astros lost two the last few days.  Last year this happened to the Rays with starter after starter going down and was ultimately part of their demise.   You would think with all these key starters going down that there would be more offense this year but it has been the exact opposite.  

[Three Run Homer]

If Bradish was going to fall apart anyway, I wish they had let him try to finish his no-hitter.  

[sportsfan8703]

This is just load management. Hopefully. Fingers crossed. We’ve seen the entire NBA do this. Why is so ground breaking for baseball?  

[Warehouse]

Below are players with non-surgical rehab of UCL that subsequently needed Tommy John with the length of their pre-surgery return.

Chad Billingsley	12 IP, 1 wk
Ruby De La Rosa	7.2 IP, 5 wks
Garrett Richards	104 IP, 15 mos
JC Ramirez	6.2 IP, 1 wk
Chris Paddack	22.1 IP, 1 mo

[interloper]

4 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Below are players with non-surgical rehab of UCL that subsequently needed Tommy John with the length of their pre-surgery return.

Chad Billingsley	12 IP, 1 wk
Ruby De La Rosa	7.2 IP, 5 wks
Garrett Richards	104 IP, 15 mos
JC Ramirez	6.2 IP, 1 wk
Chris Paddack	22.1 IP, 1 mo

That's a fairly short list, but I guess it depends on how many pitchers have had non-surgical rehab. Do we know that number? 

[Just Regular]

10 hours ago, Three Run Homer said:

If Bradish was going to fall apart anyway, I wish they had let him try to finish his no-hitter.  

It was a wonderful performance but with the benefit of hindsight with Tampa and now if he's compromised, it might have been as much the White Sox as him.

Hyde is still relatively new to the tones a manager may need to use with the gaggle if a top performer is just being load managed.    It might still be that.

Grayson's load management was after an acute NYY effort.    If today's move is Bradish to IL retro to 6/2, the 15 days would be up around the off day 6/17, the eve of the Yankee Stadium series..

It'd even necessitate Cade Povich taking a couple weeks of MLB turns before July!

[Warehouse]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

That's a fairly short list, but I guess it depends on how many pitchers have had non-surgical rehab. Do we know that number? 

Generally “successful” (i.e., no TJ in 18 mos after) non-surgical return:

Mason Miller - May 7, 2023 to Sep 6, 2023 

Seth Lugo - Apr 4, 2017 to Jun 11, 2017

Anthony Descaffolini - Feb 27, 2017, returned to MIlB action Jul 23, 2017 but shut down with elbow tendinitis after Aug 3, 2017, returning to MLB action Jun 5, 2018

Victor Arano (AA) - Feb 12, 2017 to May 31, 2017

Aaron Nola - Jul 28, 2016 to opening day roster 2017

Wei-Yin Chen - Jul 20, 2016 to Sep 19, 2016; May 1, 2017 to Sep 4, 2017; Sep 22, 2017 to Apr 28, 2018

Michael Lorenzen - Mar 9, 2016 spring training start scratch (following two weeks of soreness) to Jun 24, 2016

Tyler Thornburg - Jun 6, 2014 - opening day roster 2015

Masahiro Tanaka - Jul 8, 2014 to Sep 21, 2014

Scott Atchison - Jul 13, 2012  to Sep 16, 2012

Ervin Santana - March 8, 2009 to May 14, 2009

Takashi Saito - Jul 12, 2008 to Sep 15, 2008

Adam Wainwright (AAA) - Jun 8, 2004 to Sep 8, 2004

Gregg Olson - Aug 8, 1993, returned Sep 22, 1993 to walk only batter faced; then returned May 30, 1994

Nolan Ryan - Oct 1986 to opening day roster 1987

Tom Niedenfuer - July 12 1984, returned August 4 to walk two batters and give up HR, then returned Sep 21 1984

Jim Kaat - Sep 30, 1967 to May 3, 1968

Early Winn - jul 22 1961 to April 21 1962

Ned Garver - May 1956

 

Failed non-surgical rehab without MLB return (since 2013 and unlikely comprehensive):

Andrew Painter - 2023

Nick Burdi - 2020

John Brebbia 2020

Hunter Greene - 2019

Steven Wright  - 2019

Blaine Hardy - 2019

Seranthony Dominguez - 2019

Colin Rea - 2016

Andrew Heaney - 2016

Sean Nolan - 2016

Alex Cobb - 2015

Casey Saddler - 2015

Brandon Workman - 2015

Dylan Bundy - 2013

Jonny Venters -2013

Jason Motte - 2013

Edited June 6 by Warehouse

[Just Regular]

10 hours ago, bpilktree said:

It’s going to be interesting in future with so many starters going down in MLB.  The Astros lost two the last few days.  Last year this happened to the Rays with starter after starter going down and was ultimately part of their demise.   You would think with all these key starters going down that there would be more offense this year but it has been the exact opposite.  

That darned Kyle Boddy disruption has asymmetrically affected the supply of Arms relative to Bats that can be arbitraged.

Orioles bats are doing fantastic relative to the league keeping their noses out in front.

[dystopia]

12 minutes ago, Warehouse said:

Below are players with non-surgical rehab of UCL that subsequently needed Tommy John with the length of their pre-surgery return.

Chad Billingsley	12 IP, 1 wk
Ruby De La Rosa	7.2 IP, 5 wks
Garrett Richards	104 IP, 15 mos
JC Ramirez	6.2 IP, 1 wk
Chris Paddack	22.1 IP, 1 mo

Does that include rehab inning in the minors?