Snyder looks to be our LT 1B solution

[JTrea81]

Say Team A signs a bat for 180 million and drafts a pitcher so they will be under team control for 6 years.

Then Team B drafts a bat equal in potential to that 180 million dollar player and signs a pitcher for 5 years/80 million.

Say by year three that bat Team B drafted is putting up the stats of the 180 million dollar player and the 80 million dollar pitcher is pitching like the pitcher that was drafted by Team A if that pitcher makes it at all.

Team B is paying less money and getting the same performance and has less years committed to the more risky commodity in the pitcher.

[Lucky Jim]

I'm talking total dollars committed, not just per year. And I embarrass myself when I say Teixeira was the most valuable player in that regard.

There ya go.

[SilentJames]

Burnett cost $80 million, Sabathia cost $161 million. Teixeira cost $180 million. Who is re-inventing economics?

If Smoak and Matusz reach their potential, Smoak will be the more valuable player and most expensive to sign as a FA.

JTrea - you don't need a TEX at first. We didn't have Tex at first and we had a more than competitive offense. If you believe the PECOTA projections http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1641235&postcount=1

the Orioles are scoring more runs than the Yankees next year without Tex.

Yes Tex cost that much money, and most people think he is WAY overpaid by a team that has no financial restraint.

We need PITCHING.

[PaulBako]

Say Team A signs a bat for 180 million and drafts a pitcher for the minimum in arbitration.

Then Team B drafts a bat equal in potential to that 180 million dollar player and signs a pitcher for 80 million.

Say by year three that bat Team B drafted is putting up the stats of the 180 million dollar player and the 80 million dollar pitcher is pitching like the pitcher that was drafted by Team A if that pitcher makes it at all.

Team B is paying less money and getting the same performance and has less years committed to the more risky commodity in the pitcher.

So are you saying Smoak is going to make 180 million like Tex?

[PaulBako]

JTrea - you don't need a TEX at first. We didn't have Tex at first and we had a more than competitive offense. If you believe the PECOTA projections http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1641235&postcount=1

the Orioles are scoring more runs next year without Tex.

Yes Tex cost that much money, and most people think he is WAY overpaid by a team that has no financial restraint.

We need PITCHING.

You are correct. Great post.

[Aglets]

Just found it:

Clemens made over $28 MILLION dollars to pitch for the Yankees (starting in June that year) for a one year deal.

Seriously, is there anything else to say? How many hitters have ever had a deal anywhere close to that? Manny I guess, at 1/25.........but even that is still less and still the dodgers get him for a FULL season.

Jtrea?

[McNulty]

This thread needs a Wow Offer.

[Mackus]

Hitters get longer contracts than pitchers, that is true, but its because they are also more reliable.

If you sign a hitter you know what you are getting. How many hitter's contracts have ended up in disasters? How many pitcher's contracts have?

Top 5 contracts given to MLB Hitters:

ARod - 10/$270M

Arod - 10/$252M

Jeter - 10/$189M

Teixeira - 8/$180M

Ramirez - 8/$160M

Top 8 contracts given to MLB Pitchers:

Sabathia - 7/$163M

Santana - 6/$137.5M

Zito - 7/$126M

Hampton - 8/$121M

Brown - 7/$105M

On a scale of 1-10 how happy are each of those teams with those contracts? Compare the rankings for the hitters to the pitchers.

It gets even worse when you get down to the second tier players. Pitchers that sign $30-40M deals end up getting released. That doesn't happen nearly as often with hitters.

Its the risk that makes hitters so much more inexpensive. Cost is investment times risk. The investments in terms of money for hitters and pitchers is roughly the same, but the risk is astronomically higher for pitchers.

[JTrea81]

So are you saying Smoak is going to make 180 million like Tex?

It's possible if he hits FA and reaches his potential...

[PaulBako]

"You can buy the bats, but you need to grow the arms."

Like what Mackus said, look at those large pitching contracts. Some did not work out too well.

[Mackus]

Say Team A signs a bat for 180 million and drafts a pitcher so they will be under team control for 6 years.

Then Team B drafts a bat equal in potential to that 180 million dollar player and signs a pitcher for 5 years/80 million.

Say by year three that bat Team B drafted is putting up the stats of the 180 million dollar player and the 80 million dollar pitcher is pitching like the pitcher that was drafted by Team A if that pitcher makes it at all.

Team B is paying less money and getting the same performance and has less years committed to the more risky commodity in the pitcher.

Or, the $80M pitcher gets hurt or forgets how to pitch good like 50% or more of pitchers do and then you have to spend another $80M to get that production and even then you only have a 50% of so chance of getting someone that good.

You don't know what you're talking about

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm talking total dollars committed, not just per year. And I am right when I say Teixeira was the most valuable player in that regard.

Of course you did. Because a) it doesn't make any sense and b) if it did it would help your argument.

Pitchers don't get 10 year deals for $200M because the risk would make that crazy. It's much, much, much harder to find a pitcher who'll be good for X number of years and Y dollars than a first baseman.

[JTrea81]

Just found it:

Clemens made over $28 MILLION dollars to pitch for the Yankees (starting in June that year) for a one year deal.

Seriously, is there anything else to say? How many hitters have ever had a deal anywhere close to that? Manny I guess, at 1/25.........but even that is still less and still the dodgers get him for a FULL season.

Jtrea?

Clemens is a HOF pitcher. A #2 pitcher which is likely what Matusz will become is not neccessarily a HOF pitcher.

I would think Matusz would be getting somewhere in the 15-16 million dollar range per year if he reaches his potential when he is a FA...

[SilentJames]

It's possible if he hits FA and reaches his potential...

But see, here is the thing even if Matusz DOESN'T reach his full ace potential. Even if he is only a middle of the ground guy -

Middle rotation sold starter will cost more than middle of the ground firstbasman.

This is very simple math here JTrea.

[JTrea81]

But see, here is the thing even if Matusz DOESN'T reach his full ace potential. Even if he is only a middle of the ground guy -

Middle rotation sold starter will cost more than middle of the ground firstbasman.

This is very simple math here JTrea.

But we want a stud at 1B not a middle ground 1st baseman. At some point due to the fragile nature of pitchers, the curve goes above the pitcher's value for a good hitter. That's why you actually do spend less if you sign a #2 pitcher and draft a stud hitter...

Chances are the #2 pitcher that you've signed has a lot better chance of throwing valuable innings, than the potential #2 pitcher you've drafted that could flame out at any time, especially if it is a HS arm.