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By Sports Guy · Posted
And btw, I’m not saying you try to field a team that is only made of players 25 years old or younger…you need some vets…but get good ones. If you are going to block these kids, who are really talented, block them with players that are actual difference makers. I know they were hamstrung by Angelos and that hurt obviously but you could have done more with what you had imo. -
By Moose Milligan · Posted
Can't really argue with any of this. -
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Is Norby going to be the 2020s Steve Finley? -
By Sports Guy · Posted
This is what I’m talking about though. The Orioles are acting weird imo. Yes, winning matters and changes how you operate but this is a team that has done nothing but try to build from within and pat themselves on the back for how well they are developing but then they turn around and don’t use the guys you developed. You block them with guys like Frazier, Hicks or Jimenez or whoever else over the last 1-3 years. And we aren’t blocking them with good players. We are blocking them with over the hill vets who don’t provide much value. Thats what I find odd. Would Cowser be even better had you just played him last year? Would Kjerstad be further along if he had been given better chances? Would you have dealt Norby and/or Stowers if you played them? It’s really frustrating to me. It’s like they went all in with tanking/rebuilding for 1-2 years too long but then when it comes time for that pay off, they don’t fully follow through. Again, I know winning changed things but really, winning last year should have always been the plan, so they should not have been caught off guard. -
By LookitsPuck · Posted
Basically, the only big driver is winning and, to a much lesser extent, investment. Basically, if investment creates more winning, the fans will come. Rubenstein needs to make a splash. Right now, we've just seen him throw hats around and slap T Rowe Price everywhere he can. The rubber meets the road this offseason. If the O's putter out and have an early exit in the playoffs, are season ticket sales going to skyrocket? I don't think so. Let's look at what happened the last time the O's started winning. In 2011, they stunk and bottomed out at around 1.75m fans In 2012, they surprised everybody and not only had a winning season for the first time in forever, but they made the playoffs, too. Attendance went up to 2.1m In 2013, on the heels of a playoff appearance and apparently renewed interest in the team that doesn't suck perpetually, attendance went up even though they missed the playoffs at 2.35m fans In 2014, the O's won the division, but coming off a playoff-less year in 2013, attendance only went up 100k fans from 2.35m to 2.46m Now, 2015 was an aberration, IMHO. About the only time I'll ever say that crime perception impacted attendance was 2015 due to the Freddie Gray protests. Attendance dropped to around 2.3m from 2.46m. Now, it could be because of the protests, but it also could be that the team was mediocre. They didn't have a winning season, and only won 81 games. Attendance dropped again 2016, even though they made the playoffs, but they won 89 games and lost in the WC game. From then on, it's pretty obvious. They kept losing and losing spectacularly. COVID, etc. Anyways, I don't see a world which the team exceeds 2.5m fans/year. The Nats coming to town really destroyed the upside. Even if Rubenstein starts spending money and the team makes major upgrades to the stadium experience...the ceiling is probably around the 2.5m fans/year number. Which, let's be frank, would be averaging nearly 31k fans/game. Just win. BTW, I wrote an article on this and did some analysis on whether winning, the homicide rate, and/or spending has an impact on attendance and, well: https://stephenpauladams.substack.com/p/orioles-attendance-is-up The main takeaway is winning matters, spending has little correlation, and the homicide rate has a very weak correlation. The Rubenstein era will be interesting since this is a fresh slate and you don't have the fan apathy because of Angelos/constant losing. -
Or maybe just given regular playing time instead of getting two hits and getting benched the next day. -
By sportsfan8703 · Posted
I disagree. @Frobby just listed 8 pitchers and that doesn't include Morfe, and Reilly that we got at the trade deadline. We're never going to have that high end high school pitching prospect phenom, but Morfe might be close. I think are pitching is a little underrated.
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