Hays traded to Phillies

[EddeeEddee]

7 minutes ago, e16bball said:

Pache has some Jorge Mateo vibes. Very high-end fielder in CF, great arm, right-handed hitter, pretty passable against LHPs (.698 career OPS), entirely unusable against RHPs. Good speed, but not a base-stealer.

The interesting thing about him being in this deal is that it feels a whole lot like exactly what you would do to clear up the ability to trade Cedric Mullins.

If he can't steal bases then he really is no comparison to Mateo -- or to Mullins.  Seems like a good defender whose offense isn't as good as Mateo's either.

[Frobby]

14 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

There was a thread on here a long time ago, I think @Frobbystarted it...basically pondering who would play more games for the Orioles over the course of their careers, Hays or Mullins.   I can't find it.

Anyway, it's Cedric and by a decent margin...639 to 557.

You are thinking of this thread, I think, asking who would have the better career.   I posted it after Mullins’ career year in 2021.   Mullins won the poll handily and at least so far the majority have been right.  

[Aristotelian]

12 minutes ago, e16bball said:

The interesting thing about him being in this deal is that it feels a whole lot like exactly what you would do to clear up the ability to trade Cedric Mullins.

Maybe. Or it is just keeping the current roster construction but swapping your 5th OF platoon guy who can only play LF for one who can also play RF, while getting a bullpen arm to boot. 

[Bemorewins]

Hopefully this is the beginning of a series of moves because this trade in and of itself is pretty mid.

[casadeozo]

@Tony-OH Is there an update at all on the 403 errors? Engagement has been zapped at a time were all trying to talk O's

[ShoelesJoe]

54 minutes ago, interloper said:

MLBTR on Pache:

Pache has 0 SB this year and only 4 for his ML career, so that's kind of weird for a speed guy. He's a curious fit. Would they platoon him and Mullins? Trade Mullins? Just keep him on the bench as a more sensible bench guy than Hays? 

Man these 403 errors... 

Pache's L/R splits are really ugly --  .130 / .185 / .184 vs RH pitching in his career (301 PA). 

Edit - finally got this posted after an hour 'n forty minutes of 403 errors. This site will be unusable if Elias makes an actual blockbuster trade. 

Edited July 26 by ShoelesJoe

[eddie83]

You could certainly make the argument that Mayo is even more needed now for his bat.  
 

I guess we need to drop someone off 40 man as well. Didn’t think about that.  

[O's84]

2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yesssssssssssssss

Somebody tell Moose that Hays was traded, not Kevin Brown.  

[interloper]

17 minutes ago, E-D-D-I-E said:

Kjerstad should be playing every day.

What's funny is even after trading Hays, the addition of Pache could mean that Kjerstad STILL doesn't get the run he deserves. lol

[Frobby]

Per Roch: Hays ranks in the top 50 in Orioles history in doubles (36th with 121), runs (47th with 269), home runs (tied for 47th with 66), RBIs (49th with 242).

[DrungoHazewood]

30 minutes ago, wse120372 said:

I'm guessing he's the RH platoon for Mullins and Cowser is the everyday LF

I guess. If you squint hard enough I suppose you could convince yourself Pache is playable against lefties (.698 career OPS), as a defense-first CFer. He's +17 OAA in 1334 career MLB defensive innings, so pretty elite defender.

Something like a RH Brett Phillips.

[dtk9119]

5 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

@Tony-OH Is there an update at all on the 403 errors? Engagement has been zapped at a time were all trying to talk O's

Ditto.. been trying to post for last 2 hrs and nothing but 403.. its the worst time of year to have this problem.

[24fps]

Good deal for the O's, good deal for Hays.  I hope he does well there.

[Roll Tide]

Still shopping in the dumpster….A project reliever and a CF with a bad bat that looks like a DFA candidate.
 

The 403 error thing sucks!

Edited July 26 by Roll Tide

[KojiSplit]

2 hours ago, ChicagoTerp said:

Can anyone provide insight into what we received here?

Stats look like borderline DFA candidates. Not saying Hays was hugely valuable, but he was an All Star last year so I guess I would have expected something more in return? 

 

Austin Hays numbers in situations that mattered most: RISP .229 Late inning pressure .188 Late inning pressure runners on .111