I want to say this about Coby Mayo (All Inclusive)

[geschinger]

56 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

If winning is the most important thing, keeping him down for another 3-4 weeks to preserve his rookie status is complete bs. There is no justification for that.

We have heard all year how difficult the transition is from AAA to the majors right now, so why wouldn’t you have him up getting those at bats now..if winning is truly what matters?

So, for him to be left down there, it better be because of defense or something like that because the rookie status stuff is bs…remember when Evan Carter was a lock to get ROY?  Yea, those things don’t always work out, so you don’t plan for it that way.

2 weeks.  The regular season ends Sept 29.  If he uses up his rookie status it is going to be based on days on the roster.  The 130 ABs might not even be an issue if he was brought up today as there is little chance of Hyde running him out there every day.  

[wildcard]

12 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

Of course, I am biased. I know Coby and his family well and interviewed Coby back in high school. I stay in touch with the family multiple times a week.Of course, I want to see him get his chance as many of you do.But for any reason, the fact that this kid is not promoted while we promoted inferior players, while we have a need for a RH hitter with pop  and refuse to  make that call is an insult to Coby Mayo, and yes, the fans too. The Orioles are jerking the kid around because they want to save his rookie status which could give the team an extra year of contract flexibility, could save the organisation money. But it's WRONG. The kid has raked all year, been a "good soldier" while he watched all his teammates get the call up. This kid has no negotiation power right now.But he will remember how he was treated and he has every reason to be resentful. I would be if it were me. And Oriole fans should be angry too. The front office has an obligation to field the best team, the best players and present that team to the public. They are not doing it to save money while they trade for dreadful hitters and pay off their inflated contract. It makes no sense. I'm furious that Elias is doing this to the kid, and I respect Mike. It's just wrong. Big time WRONG.                           FREE COBY MAYO.

Roy,  If you are telling Coby's family on your weekly calls that the O's are wronging him, you are not helping.   

Coby's defense is so poor that he needs to be at AAA concentrating on improving.   Right now the only position he would be good for with the O's is DH. And O'Hearn is ahead of him.   

As far as him being a right-handed DH that gets limited at bats, that is not a role that  the  O's would want him in.  Not at 22 when he could be improving his overall game at AAA.   Acquiring Jimenez who has years of major league experience  is probably better at sitting for days waiting for a PH or DH opportunity.

I believe the O's want Coby to play everyday when is comes to the majors.   Starting twice a week as a part time DH is not in the plan for him. 

If you want to help, explain to his family that the O's made Holliday, Basallo and Mayo untouchable at the deadline.   That is the kind of value Elias places on Mayo. He mostly said that  in  this interview yesterday.

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[Sports Guy]

20 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

They can easily control his ABs.

Sure they can…but then why are you bringing him up to play occasionally? The whole point is to get him at bats to learn and adjust..by sitting him, you don’t do that.  It’s just stupid manipulation.

We don’t know if Westburg will play again this year and even when he’s eligible, how much time will he need to get going again?

So, you need Mayo to get as much experience as possible.  This idea that we should hold him back because there is some slight chance at a draft pick is idiotic and not focusing on what is important..IE winning this year.

[Sports Guy]

21 minutes ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:

I get it, of course, but there's speculation and then intimation...

Not in this case.  This is just Roy being Roy and saying stuff. It means nothing. He’s just pissed he’s not up..and rightfully so.

[Sports Guy]

If you bring him up on 8/17, that basically means Mayo sits 10-15 games if the goal is retain rookie status. That would mean him sitting around 25-40% of the games.

[Aristotelian]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Sure they can…but then why are you bringing him up to play occasionally? The whole point is to get him at bats to learn and adjust..by sitting him, you don’t do that.  It’s just stupid manipulation.

We don’t know if Westburg will play again this year and even when he’s eligible, how much time will he need to get going again?

So, you need Mayo to get as much experience as possible.  This idea that we should hold him back because there is some slight chance at a draft pick is idiotic and not focusing on what is important..IE winning this year.

129 ABs in 45 days would be like 3.5 ABs per game. He would just need a couple days off vs a tough RHP. That will not kill his development. That being said I could see them holding off until September 1 more because of the roster spot.

[dystopia]

Little OT but should we be concerned about our defensive coaching abilities in the minor leagues considering how many of our younger players struggle defensively? 

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

He needs to play everyday when he gets here.  Against both RHP and LHP.  His bat is good enough to not be a platoon guy. 
 

 

[dzorange]

12 hours ago, 24fps said:

But is it true?  Because if it is, Roy just broke a story.  FWIW that wasn't my takeaway from reading his post carefully.

Not my takeaway either. It's Roy being Roy.

Remember when Matt Holliday was upset about his son not getting called up? Then what happened?

Jordan Westburg had over 700 PAs in AAA. Kjerstad's had almost 600. Norby over 1,000. Stowers nearly 1,000. Holliday has over 400.

Mayo's at 600, which is a lot, but Gunnar and Rutchman have been the only real exception to the rule here.

I'm sure Westburg was frustrated for having to wait to get called up. Does he care now?

Edited August 1 by dzorange

[orioles119]

10 hours ago, 86this said:

Looks like a bad time not to have a 403 error.  Go to your corners!

403 error?  Will that be the count by an Oriole SS by the end of the year?  The position is cursed since the ASB!

[OriolesUpAndDowns]

1 minute ago, dystopia said:

Little OT but should we be concerned about our defensive coaching abilities in the minor leagues considering how many of our younger players struggle defensively? 

My understanding is his issues are on his throws.  He fields the ball just fine but for some reason has the occasional throw go awry.  I’ve only seen him play a couple times in person at Bowie and he seemed to move fairly well and have decent hands.  I try to catch an occasional Norfolk game on the MLB app but it’s hard to tell on those telecasts other than the obvious.  

[Just Regular]

49 minutes ago, TommyPickles said:

Ramon Urias in July:

54 PA, .341 avg, .463 OBP, .477 SLG, .940 OPS

On the season he has a 105 OPS+. To compare that to someone who plays in a hitter's park, that's the same as Yankees' 1B Ben Rice, who is batting .300 and has a .746 OPS.

In Westburg's sudden absence, for me the competitive considerations boil down to this.

Are you at peace with Ramon Urias taking about 1/9th of the 2024 Orioles postseason plate appearances in an ALWC series with the Minnesota Twins probably throwing Pablo Lopez, Joe Ryan and Bailey Ober in those games?     It is in the range of outcomes Jordan Westburg's season is over.

There are 2 months of season to prepare your best players for the team's biggest challenge, true for all 30 teams as this morning Andrew Friedman has key conversations to figure out with Clayton Kershaw.    It isn't just us.

[sportsfan8703]

There’s some potential there. I know it’s one play but we know he’s got an 80/80 arm. He just needs to field the balls he can get to cleanly and make accurate throws. 

Gunnar is in a fielding slump. You think we can deal with Mayo making errors too?

[MDK02]

Wow 12 pages got here quick.

[interloper]

I hope Roy is having a pleasant, stress-free day after once again using this forum as his personal emotional outlet. 

Edited August 1 by interloper