Shohei Showdown - The Dodgers Series 8/27-8/29

[maybenxtyr]

44 minutes ago, SemperFi said:

I don't work for you.

That comment was specifically about the Orioles not other teams.  

Hahaha...ok. 

 

It was a rhetorical question, not an opportunity to exude your manliness. 

 

Once again,  you can pretend that the injuries haven't forced those 2 into the rotation but you'd be wrong. 

[milbest77]

Bet the mortgage on Flaherty. Watch him no-hit us. 

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Burnes is at 3.28, not 3.82.  Hopefully lower after this game!

I was like wow, I'm know he's been bad lately, but his ERA is already almost 4.  Hopefully he rights the ship this start, because I can't see the O's going anywhere in the postseason w/o the good version of Burnes.

[LookitsPuck]

The Dodgers are at full strength offensively. They have Mookie back, Ohtani is having an elite season. 6 of their regulars have an OPS of nearly 100 or well above.

Ohtani, Mookie, Freeman, Teoscar, Smith, and Gavin Lux. It's a really good, solid lineup.

Their relief corps is excellent. It's amazing how much Kopech has brought to them.

Their starting pitcher is a little banged up with Glasnow out and Yamamoto out. But Stone, Flaherty have been excellent. Buehler hasn't had the season he's wanted since coming off the IL. But here's the problem: the Orioles are pitching Irvin (who was solid in his return, though), Burnes (who has been abysmal in August), and Povich (who is an inconsistent rookie). 

The O's will be lucky to snag one of these games. But, hey, stranger things have happened and they are facing a couple of righties in Flaherty and Buehler (and TBD in G3). 

[SemperFi]

49 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Hahaha...ok. 

 

It was a rhetorical question, not an opportunity to exude your manliness. 

 

Once again,  you can pretend that the injuries haven't forced those 2 into the rotation but you'd be wrong. 

I'm not sure why you are questioning my "manliness" and why it is an issue.

Rhetorical assumes you know the answer.

The point isn't injuries, some of which were known-it's who you have to fill those positions, everyone has injuries, it's part of the game.  I'll generalize but many here feel (and I agree) that the Orioles needed another starter and more credible middle relief to start the season.  It is a failure somewhere in the organization not to have credible options at 4/5 and in relief

To answer your question (which I'm not sure I even undertstand) and spending 20 minutes researching it every contender in the AL has dealt with injuries to SP and each IMO has a much better option (WHIP)  at 4 and 5 is a mess but I have no confidence in Povich.   

Cleveland, MN, NY, Boston, Texas, Houston, and that's just the AL.-does that answer your "rhetorical" question?  Each of them has had to deal with injuries to their SP and each of them have better options than Povich and Irvin.

 

 

Edited August 26 by SemperFi

[GuidoSarducci]

One win I think should be the realistic goal.  Mostly like the Burnes/Ferris Buehler matchup, if Burnes finds himself again.

[Pushmonkey]

LA sweep

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, SemperFi said:

I'm not sure why you are questioning my "manliness" and why it is an issue.

Rhetorical assumes you know the answer.

The point isn't injuries, some of which were known-it's who you have to fill those positions, everyone has injuries, it's part of the game.  I'll generalize but many here feel (and I agree) that the Orioles needed another starter and more credible middle relief to start the season.  It is a failure somewhere in the organization not to have credible options at 4/5 and in relief

To answer your question (which I'm not sure I even undertstand) and spending 20 minutes researching it every contender in the AL has dealt with injuries to SP and each IMO has a much better option (WHIP)  at 4 and 5 is a mess but I have no confidence in Povich.   

Cleveland, MN, NY, Boston, Texas, Houston, and that's just the AL.-does that answer your "rhetorical" question?  Each of them has had to deal with injuries to their SP and each of them have better options than Povich and Irvin.

 

 

The manliness was in response to the, "I don't work for you " comment.  No kidding?

 

Anyhow,  without delving in to the quality of the starters I did some quick glancing around the AL.

 

Baltimore has had 12 pitchers start games. 2 out of the expected starters have been there most of the season...3 if we include Grayson. 

 

Cleveland has had 12 also, but they've managed to have 4 "regulars" account for 88 starts.

 

NY has only used 8, but at any given point they've been able to rely on 4 out of the 5 pretty consistently. 

 

Minnesota and KC have been pretty fortunate on the pitchers health front. The same with Houston. 

 

All of that is to say that I don't think any team would be able to account for all of the pitching injuries that Baltimore has had be expected to still be relevant. A good portion of their injuries haven't even been the garden variety 15-10 day stints either. 

 

I'm not making excuses for them but it's not gard to see why Povich and Irvin have been needed. If it ever happens,  I think Burnes, Eflin and Rodriguez would make a pretty formidable play off group...the hitting is another question though. 

 

[Just Regular]

Ohtani took a HBP on his left wrist late in the game yesterday.    He waved off the trainers, but as with Adley Rutschman nothing will be conceded.

Freeman is so injury impervious that despite the films showing a hairline fracture, he's playing.    The Rolling 15 days isn't that hot, but he's him.

The Dodgers are a lot better than the Yankees, but as with most every team, time is on our side.    If the peak Adley lineups can't beat aging Ohtani the same as aging Cole, it won't have been a very good run.     I think it'll be a very good run.

How does Shohei's number count towards the average of top contracts for Qualifying Offer calculation purposes?    Some fellow prominent MLBPA members might not love his tactics.

[bpilktree67]

I will take 3-3 mini road trip anyway we can get it.  Sweep the Dodgers get swept by Rockies or vice versa it not matter to me.  Just keep staying afloat and hope the reinforcements get here sooner rather then later.  

[dtk9119]

Need a minimum 3-3 road trip. With our luck we'll play down to the competition and probably lose 2 of 3 to COL and end up with like a 1-5 trip..

[SemperFi]

14 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

The manliness was in response to the, "I don't work for you " comment.  No kidding?

Anyhow,  without delving in to the quality of the starters I did some quick glancing around the AL.

Minnesota and KC have been pretty fortunate on the pitchers health front. The same with Houston

Baltimore has had 12 pitchers start games. 2 out of the expected starters have been there most of the season...3 if we include Grayson. 

 

 

Those kind of comments are gratuitous and uncalled for. 

The "I don't work for you" was the manner in which you harshly challenged my generalized comment with another generalized comment instead of providing information facts.

I don't think listing SP used is usefull-it's who you have lost in your rotation and who you have to plug in-it's a fact those teams have better 4/5 starters than the O's-except for possibly one 5.

These are the quality or top 4 starters that were in the plans for those teams:

Boston: Paxton Giolito Whitlock

Cleveland: Cobb, Carasco, Bieber

Yankees: Schmidt, Gil, and Cole- missed a lot 

MN: Paddock, Ryan, DeScalfini

KC:  Ragans, Wright (known)

Houston:  McCullers, France, Javier, Garcia, and Verlander for a portion of the year

Each of the teams has lost multiple quality starters-it's not just the Baltimore Orioles.  

Your comments seem to be made with little research-Houston has been decimated, worse than the Orioles yet you characterized losing McCullers, Javier, Garcia, and Verlander as being "fortunate". 

You challenged me to provide you with one team-above are least 4 that the Orioles are contending with.

I'm not sure who you thought was in the optimum rotation but Bradisch (known) Wells (likely BP) and Means were all question marks that had to be accounted for.  That left Burnes, Grayson, Suarez (lottery ticket), Kremer, Rodgers (-.4) Irvin (-.5) and Povich (-.8).  They acquired Eflin, but Irvin and Povich have 25 starts between them. All of the above teams have better options at the back end of the rotation.

Hopefully Grayson and Elflin (recent injuries) return, and if they do the injury excuse is just that-everyone has injuries.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/injuries

 

[Say O!]

Dodgers 1-2-3 batting order is arguably best in MLB. Betts-Ohtani-Freeman.  Is any other team close?  NYY with (anyone at leadoff)-Soto-Judge?  Maybe the team we just faced in HOU with Altuve-Bregman-Alvarez?  Regardless of answer, I’m looking forward to seeing the LAD big3, each of them just exude pure joy as baseball players. 

[maybenxtyr]

1 hour ago, SemperFi said:

Those kind of comments are gratuitous and uncalled for. 

The "I don't work for you" was the manner in which you harshly challenged my generalized comment with another generalized comment instead of providing information facts.

I don't think listing SP used is usefull-it's who you have lost in your rotation and who you have to plug in-it's a fact those teams have better 4/5 starters than the O's-except for possibly one 5.

These are the quality or top 4 starters that were in the plans for those teams:

Boston: Paxton Giolito Whitlock

Cleveland: Cobb, Carasco, Bieber

Yankees: Schmidt, Gil, and Cole- missed a lot 

MN: Paddock, Ryan, DeScalfini

KC:  Ragans, Wright (known)

Houston:  McCullers, France, Javier, Garcia, and Verlander for a portion of the year

Each of the teams has lost multiple quality starters-it's not just the Baltimore Orioles.  

Your comments seem to be made with little research-Houston has been decimated, worse than the Orioles yet you characterized losing McCullers, Javier, Garcia, and Verlander as being "fortunate". 

You challenged me to provide you with one team-above are least 4 that the Orioles are contending with.

I'm not sure who you thought was in the optimum rotation but Bradisch (known) Wells (likely BP) and Means were all question marks that had to be accounted for.  That left Burnes, Grayson, Suarez (lottery ticket), Kremer, Rodgers (-.4) Irvin (-.5) and Povich (-.8).  They acquired Eflin, but Irvin and Povich have 25 starts between them. All of the above teams have better options at the back end of the rotation.

Hopefully Grayson and Elflin (recent injuries) return, and if they do the injury excuse is just that-everyone has injuries.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/injuries

 

I don't typically participate in online bickering. I've probably done more with you today than I have since I've been a member here. Your comment rubbed me wrong,  but my apologies for responding as a jerk.

 

Your original point was about Povich and Irvin. My contention was in a somewhat perfect world the rotation could have been: Burnes, Bradish, Rodriguez,  Means and Kremer. That would have left Wells and Irvin in the pen and Povich at AAA. So that's 8 plus the additions of Eflin and Rogers. To me,  when you look at that list it's not a surprise that they're relying on whatever they can get right now. 

 

I'm more concerned about 2025 than whatever happens the rest of this year. I hope they don't plan on the returns of the TJ guys as an answer for the rotation. 

[Roy Firestone]

I'll be there in person for all three. I'm expecting a very tough series, maybe we can get a win, but the way we are hitting right now, thats not even a given.