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Red Sox Working Hard for A-Gon. Why Not Us?

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Mackus Hangout Grand Counsel

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Alright, but isn't the conventional argument here that we DON'T have the financial resources to make a move like that if the Yankees and Red Sox get involved?

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No, that's not the conventional argument.

The conventional argument is that we can't compete overall with their financial capabilities, and we can't. We can compete, especially with the Red Sox less so with the Yankees, for one player. And if we're closer to competition, then taking a big risk like a huge deal for a 1B, would be the right move. Right now, it isn't.

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I'd prefer to to take the shot at being a playoff team and risk going back to the cellar than a consistent third place team.

Building for anything short of the playoffs is unacceptable.

But your plan does not MAKE US A PLAYOFF TEAM!

And it hamstrings the future of the team significantly!

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If Gonzalez got us a decent shot at the playoffs in the next two years, he'd be worth trading a lot of young talent for.

But he doesn't.

And he isn't signing an extension. Anyone arguing that he would is just simply doing so to support to argument to trade for him. Its absurd to suggest that he'd sign an extension.

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But your plan does not MAKE US A PLAYOFF TEAM!

And it hamstrings the future of the team significantly!

I would not stop at AGon, as I've said before, you've got to go all in.

Holliday and AGon would be my two big additions this offseason.

That gives us 10-11 more wins and puts us right on the brink with one more addition and keeps Boston below 100 wins so we could realistically catch them for the WC.

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Alright, but isn't the conventional argument here that we DON'T have the financial resources to make a move like that if the Yankees and Red Sox get involved?

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The Orioles can probably stomach a $100-$115MM payroll, but in order to get to that point, you have to have success first.

You need to establish a competitive team before you can realistically talk about splurging on one player, and frankly, there aren't more than a handful of players in baseball worth "splurging" on when you look at their production.

Boston IMO is clearly the best run organization in baseball. That is the model that the Orioles should be after, or creating a hybrid of Tampa & Boston.

They cannot be and never will be the Yankees.

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Would we be better off in 2012 with nothing or with Matusz, Arrieta, and Reimold?

It'll take an offer like that to get Gonzelez, and then he'll just leave in 2 years when he's a free agent. And you're kidding yourself if you think adding Gonzalez makes us a contender the next two years (while subtracting the aforementioned pieces).

And if you make the argument that we could extend him, I'll make the argument that we could just sign him after 2011. We'd have to compete with more teams to sign him, but there is a much better chance that he signs here after 2011 if we can let our young players play and start winning a bit than there would be to extend him right now if we traded for him.

The point is this young team has little chance of winning against the competition they face within the toughest and most talent heavy division in baseball. I love the logic here that we rely on the young talent to get a better record to attract more talent when the compeition already has vastly superior proven talent and continues to ADD, ADD ADD!!!!!! This kind of logic is merely a pipe dream. It might work in any other division at least to a certain extent but it has about zero chance of working in this division. And don't say the Rays did it because they were a one year wonder and since then the Yankees and Sox have added talent and even the Rays aren't sitting pat or doing very little like our GM is doing.

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Your plan didn't work for 10 years.

We have a farm system in place now that is much improved thanks to the efforts of Jordan, Stockstill, Flanagan, Duquette and to a certain extent MacPhail, and we are now willing to go overslot in the draft on our picks.

That is what didn't work IMO.

That's fixed.

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Look at it this way. if the Sux trade for AGonz we have a better chance to sign Beltre to a one or two year deal.

The Mariners want him back as do a whole lot of other more competitive team on the West Coast.

There is no positive for the Orioles with Gonzalez going to the Red Sox, none.

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