O's not offering Koji arbitration

[waroriole]

This is absolutely pathetic. This organization continues to show that it is the laughing stock of baseball. When you have opportunities to bring in good players you take them.

[Arthur_Bryant]

This.

And a note to point 1: players get raises in arbitration.

Not necessarily.

Pre-FA players almost always get raises in arbitration, because the added year of experience is assumed to add value. And if they haven't improved, they are often non-tendered anyway.

But there is no guarantee that a potential FA arb player gets a raise.

[tntoriole]

Sorry, I have always been a Macphail defender but I am now officially off the reservation....the frustrating thing if there is a strategy, that there is absolutely zero interest in informing the few remaining fans of this pathetic organization.

Red Sox or Yankees or Tampa Bay sign him I hope to a two year deal and he pitches lights out for them.

[clapdiddy]

Sorry, I have always been a Macphail defender but I am now officially off the reservation....the frustrating thing if there is a strategy, that there is absolutely zero interest in informing the few remaining fans of this pathetic organization.

Red Sox or Yankees or Tampa Bay sign him I hope to a two year deal and he pitches lights out for them.

If that happens, I'll be happy to start the torch and pitchfork brigade up to the Warehouse. :angryfire:

[Stotle]

Probably for the best. Why would BAL want extra draft picks when the early ones are so expensive! This way, they can just wait for the later rounds and sprinkle the cash there.:2yay-thumb:

[Mark Carver]

This.

And a note to point 1: players get raises in arbitration.

Sure 3-6 years players almost always get a raise. But FA arbitration is another story all together, which is the case for Koji.

There is no way Millwood is going to a raise if the Orioles offer him arbitration and they go through the process...

[Ven6]

Not necessarily.

Pre-FA players almost always get raises in arbitration, because the added year of experience is assumed to add value. And if they haven't improved, they are often non-tendered anyway.

But there is no guarantee that a potential FA arb player gets a raise.

Is there a place to check on this? While there is no guarantee that a potential FA arb player gets a raise, I think he always does.

[Arthur_Bryant]

If that happens, I'll be happy to start the torch and pitchfork brigade up to the Warehouse. :angryfire:

I'm withholding judgment until the dust clears, but he has lost me if he boots this offseason.

And in a vacuum, this decision really looks bad.

[Sports Guy]

http://twitter.com/danconnollysun/status/7223222797860864#

Not offering it to Millwood either.

But this is ok, I am sure all the AM azz kissers will be along soon to tell us how smart this is.

[Sports Guy]

You know, this is just further evidence that the Orioles just don't place the value on amateur talent that they should.

There is no excuse for this. Good teams just don't do this.

They just aren't a smart organization in any way. We are going to continue to be doomed with these jokers in charge.

[SrMeowMeow]

Maybe that just means they are close to signing him?

This is one option. The other option is plain stupidity. We'll find out which soon enough.

[clapdiddy]

You know, this is just further evidence that the Orioles just don't place the value on amateur talent that they should.

There is no excuse for this. Good teams just don't do this.

They just aren't a smart organization in any way. We are going to continue to be doomed with these jokers in charge.

The only way...and I mean the ONLY way...this move would be plausible, would be if both of these guys told the Orioles there was NO WAY they'd turn down arbitration.

Now...even if they did...the worst thing that could happen is that we have them here for one more season. I would guess Koji would be around 5 million and Millwood around 7. Would that be terribly bad considering we're likely to go find a innings-eater and a couple of bodies for the bullpen?

So...I guess I'm changing my mind now. This just sucks. No way around it.

[baltfan]

I don't agree with this either. In MacPhail's defense he has often been criticized on these roster moves only to be vindicated. If the Orioles plan on offering up to 2/8, I could see this making some sense versus offering arbitration and ending up paying $7-8mm. Let's not forget he is 35 and injury prone. If the Orioles really want him, the odds are they can outbid other suitors and still be better off than if he accepted arbitration.

[Sports Guy]

I don't agree with this either. In MacPhail's defense he has often been criticized on these roster moves only to be vindicated. If the Orioles plan on offering up to 2/8, I could see this making some sense versus offering arbitration and ending up paying $7-8mm. Let's not forget he is 35 and injury prone. If the Orioles really want him, the odds are they can outbid other suitors and still be better off than if he accepted arbitration.

Which is why he wasn't going to get 7-8 million.

[skanar]

I am sure all the AM azz kissers will be along soon to tell us how smart this is.

:cussing::cussing::cussing:

This is uncalled for. One can think that AM has a good plan and executes it generally well without being an "azz kisser." It's even possible to disagree with him from time to time about certain things. Name calling is unhelpful.

I like MacPhail's plan and I've liked a lot of his moves. I've also found some odd (for the record, I wasn't opposed to Garrett Atkins, but I doubted Mike Gonzalez would be worth it).

Not offering Koji arb make very little sense to me. Would it not have been possible with either Koji or Millwood to, at the very least, have the "the player will certainly turn it down" gentlemen's agreement?