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You are wrong...His name has been mentioned in the MCab deal as well.

Aybar isn't being mentioned.

Fair enough about the MCab deal- but in regards to Tejada this is the only place we've heard that and it came from our side of the table. Has it occurred to you that he wasn't mentioned in the Fla. deal because his value is nowhere near as high as Wood's?

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Yes, I feel much better :D

I understand your concerns re: Wood. I have them too. I just like his upside much, much more than Aybar's upside. I agree that Wood wouldn't be my first choice due to the large variance, but I'd take Wood/Saunders in a heartbeat.

I like his upside more than Aybars as well, thats for sure.

I haven't been reading much lately but I wonder if any of our insiders know of any other prospects that have been talked about for Tejada so we can compare who we'd rather have.

Saunders seems to be a guy we'd move at the deadline, like Trax. Am I understanding that correctly?

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You've seen where they have said things like that. The fact that they are saying this, doesn't make it so. I tend to distrust virtually all these sort of comments when trades are being discussed. I'd be shocked if the Angels started 2008 with Aybar as their starting SS, but I do agree with you that this is interesting.

This is true and others are right that Wood has higher value.

But then again, why not try and package Aybar and something else for someone and keep Wood?

Oh well...I certainly think the Angels would be ok with Aybar at SS and they seem to be as well.

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If this deal goes down, I think Tejada -not Aybar- will be the Angels shortstop on opening day.

I agree with that too. The reports of Tejada's defensive demise have been greatly exaggerated. For the Angles, if they do aquire Tejada, the choice comes down to Ayabar, Figgins, or Garret Anderson in the lineup. Who do you think they'll go with?

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This is true and others are right that Wood has higher value.

But then again, why not try and package Aybar and something else for someone and keep Wood?

Oh well...I certainly think the Angels would be ok with Aybar at SS and they seem to be as well.

Maybe they feel the difference in their ability is less than the difference in their trade value. Or, as someone just mentioned, maybe Tejada would play SS.

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This is true and others are right that Wood has higher value.

But then again, why not try and package Aybar and something else for someone and keep Wood?

Oh well...I certainly think the Angels would be ok with Aybar at SS and they seem to be as well.[/QUOTE]

Not if they are truly serious about upgrading their offense. And I know they were 4th in the AL in runs but they've been talking about it for years, and imo, they need to do it. By my count, minus Cabrerra and plus Hunter, they haven't upgraded much at all, particularly if they're going to run Ayabar and his .680 ops out there next year 160 games.

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This is true and others are right that Wood has higher value.

But then again, why not try and package Aybar and something else for someone and keep Wood?

Oh well...I certainly think the Angels would be ok with Aybar at SS and they seem to be as well.

Not if they are truly serious about upgrading their offense. And I know they were 4th in the AL in runs but they've been talking about it for years, and imo, they need to do it. By my count, minus Cabrerra and plus Hunter, they haven't upgraded much at all, particularly if they're going to run Ayabar and his .680 ops out there next year 160 games.

IMO adding Tejada as their SS and Figgins as the 3B makes them much better as a team. Remember Garland as a #5 starter is pretty sick.

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Or maybe they're looking elsewhere for a SS, too. Miggy plays third, they deal Aybar too and grab a SS prospect from another team that we're not aware of. Can Figgins hold it down at SS for a season?

Figgins would be a laughing stock at SS.

I see Tejada coming in to be their SS.

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This is true and others are right that Wood has higher value.

But then again, why not try and package Aybar and something else for someone and keep Wood?

Oh well...I certainly think the Angels would be ok with Aybar at SS and they seem to be as well.[/QUOTE]

Not if they are truly serious about upgrading their offense. And I know they were 4th in the AL in runs but they've been talking about it for years, and imo, they need to do it. By my count, minus Cabrerra and plus Hunter, they haven't upgraded much at all, particularly if they're going to run Ayabar and his .680 ops out there next year 160 games.

Aybar had a 800+ OPS in the minors...I think a 720-780 OPS is possible.

Couple that with very good defense and a bunch of steals and you have a very valuable player.

Now, if his OPS stays right around 700, his OBP 315 or lower and he continues to steal bases at a poor percentage, then he is just a UTI guy.

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Aybar had a 800+ OPS in the minors...I think a 720-780 OPS is possible.

Couple that with very good defense and a bunch of steals and you have a very valuable player.

Now, if his OPS stays right around 700, his OBP 315 or lower and he continues to steal bases at a poor percentage, then he is just a UTI guy.

He had an ops of like .570 last year. Hell, I'm factoring in growth to project him at .680. FYI, he hasn't had an ops of +800 since he was in high a ball. His last extended time in the minors in AAA he had an ops of 740. Where is the ops of 800 coming from? The low minors? I hope you're not foolish enough to put much stock in #s from the low minors a couple of years ago. FWIW, I don't think he's ever going to steal bases w much profeciency- I mean he never has before. He could, in his prime get his ops up to where you project but imo he'd be LUCKY to post an ops of 700 next year. That just isn't going to cut for a contending team like the Angels.

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