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Pedro Cerrano

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    • I doubt Ortiz will have an 800+ OPS all year but I guess its possible. Right now the trade looks like a win for both teams. Milwaukee of course gets 5 more years after this to fully reap the benefits. 
    • Probably because of pitch count. Doesn’t change my point. 
    • Robert would be a significant upgrade over Mullins (offensively). Not sure how much of a difference the two have defensively. But as much as I like Mullins, he has been really bad with the bat in his hand for about a season now. Second half of last season and most of the first half of this season. Obviously the issue with Robert is his health/availability, so there would be risk there. But I wouldn't mind if Elias took a swing there, as long as this wouldn't be his only move. I would like to see Elias act bold and decisively this go round (at the deadline). I heard that the CHI SOX wanted a "Soto like" package (that the Nats got for trading him to the Pads) back for Robert. We know that they have a recent history of over asking on players they are in theory willing to trade. Anybody have a guess on what the realistic costs for Robert would be?
    • This is all correct. And to add to it, If Gunnar only continues being this version of Gunnar, he is out-valued only by the sole two-way player in baseball (Ohtani). So, comparing Soto to Gunnar in a vacuum might make some sense, their situations are vastly different. The closeness of the young guys has been well documented and we know that the group of Adley, Gunnar, Mountcastle, Stowers, Westy and Cowser are all strong in their faith. I do believe that will play some part in the contract finagling. I do not know any of them personally and with the union, the pressure of the sport, endorsements, etc. etc. ... I realize that at the end of the day guys are going to want what they are worth but I have long thought two things about this crop of players: they are incredibly consistent but they also seem to be genuinely good kids who want to win and put the team first. We don't know yet what will happen over the next few years with these players but I wouldn't be surprised to see a version of what the cast of Friends did early in the show's run, where they essentially formed their own union of sorts and structured their compensation so that none of them would become bigger than the sum of their parts. Again, I don't know them personally and I am fully in-tune with the idea that they all want to be paid but I think that their closeness means more to them than Soto's relationship with his teammates in Washington, and I think that holds true with respect to almost literally any other free agent in the history of the game. They are very unique in that they have this young group who are all 23 - 27 right now who are very tight. I happen to think that the stars of this team will be more inclined to consider more team-friendly deals if it means that their posse can stay in-tact for a longer duration of time. Call me naïve but that's how I see it. I've been intimately involved in the game at various levels myself and I can honestly say that I can't remember a group of young players who demonstrated a caring for each other to the same level of these kids. It could mean nothing when Gunnar is being thrown half a billion dollars or when Adley is offered the moon but I just don't see these players being as motivated by money as other (especially recent) stars.  I agree 100% that Gunnar would jump all over that Witt Jr. deal. I think he is smart enough to know that anything could happen over the next five years. Plus $288 million is a shitload of money. I don't know how  many generations of wealth that is but damn that's a lot of money for a soon to be 23 year old kid.   
    • There is a lot to like and I can't see why nobody would want him but for the possibility that he won't help the team much in October 2024, the cost would probably be an absurd ask.
    • I think the focus is going to be on relief pitching.   I don't think any of the guys SG listed would be needed for the types of relievers the O's will be going after.
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