(Almost) All Things Manny Machado....

[TheWall]

I'm reminded of the posters that were claiming he isn't a superstar when he was mid slump. Never a doubt he'd get back on track. Way too much talent.

[Frobby]

On 8/1/2017 at 10:38 AM, webbrick2010 said:

Woo Hoo, give him a 10/400 contract, get that bust ready for the HOF. In Manny's good month he had a .869 OPS.

There are 41 MLB players with a higher OPS for the season!

Hmmm, I notice you've been pretty quiet on this subject lately after haranguing Manny for 3+ months.    

I've watched Orioles baseball for more than 50 years.    I will say unequivocally that Manny is one of the five best players who have ever played for this team.     Three are in the Hall of Fame, and the fourth guy (Mussina) should be.      

It'll be a crime if he leaves.

[joelala]

It's gonna hurt me sooo much if I have to watch him play for the NYY or the Dodgers or (insert team with 300m dollars to spend.)  But there's this black cloud over my head that keeps saying next year will be his last year in Orange.

I'm so conflicted when I watch how awesome he's been in the second half thus far.  I'm fully prepared for him to walk in FA, and the thought absolutely kills me.  Not sure how I'd be able to proceed as a fan with that level of ineptitude. 

I know this has been said 100,000 times on these message boards, but we need a resolution to this potential disaster this winter.  If he is unwilling to extend,  we HAVE to trade him.

 

Edit:  of course I'll still be a fan, just disappointed at the ineptitude.

Edited August 19, 2017 by joelala

[Cumberbundy]

 

[El Gordo]

12 hours ago, Frobby said:

Hmmm, I notice you've been pretty quiet on this subject lately after haranguing Manny for 3+ months.    

I've watched Orioles baseball for more than 50 years.    I will say unequivocally that Manny is one of the five best players who have ever played for this team.     Three are in the Hall of Fame, and the fourth guy (Mussina) should be.      

It'll be a crime if he leaves.

Wait a minute. Brooks Cal Eddie, and Frank, That's 4 plus Moose, So Manny makes 6? And what a bout Palmer?

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, El Gordo said:

Wait a minute. Brooks Cal Eddie, and Frank, That's 4 plus Moose, So Manny makes 6? And what a bout Palmer?

You have a point, I miscounted.   Top 7.

[Aristotelian]

15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You have a point, I miscounted.   Top 7.

I would take Manny over both Eddie and Mussina. 

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I would take Manny over both Eddie and Mussina. 

I'm not ready to say that after 5+ years in the majors.    Careers take funny turns sometimes.   But it won't surprise me if he does surpass a few of our other top 6.

[El Gordo]

8 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I would take Manny over both Eddie and Mussina. 

I won't because by the time he passes them he'll be aYankee/

[El Gordo]

I told you that Cartoon bird is missing.

[Aristotelian]

Just now, El Gordo said:

I won't because by the time he passes them he'll be aYankee/

So we are just counting Orioles stats? The claim was "five best players who have played for this team". By that standard I would take Manny over Eddie and Mussina right now because peak Manny is a more valuable player than peak Eddie or peak Mussina.

[El Gordo]

12 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

So we are just counting Orioles stats? The claim was "five best players who have played for this team". By that standard I would take Manny over Eddie and Mussina right now because peak Manny is a more valuable player than peak Eddie or peak Mussina.

You need to look at Eddie's numbers Manny so far: 

.281

.331

.480

.811

118

 Eddie though age 25 

.291

.354

.493

.847

136

Eddie won 3 GG had 3 straight years  of 156 OPS+ followed by a 157. He was ROY and a 7 time AL AS . Manny may get that good but he isn't that level now.

Edited August 20, 2017 by El Gordo

[Frobby]

38 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

So we are just counting Orioles stats? The claim was "five best players who have played for this team". By that standard I would take Manny over Eddie and Mussina right now because peak Manny is a more valuable player than peak Eddie or peak Mussina.

Anyone who played a substantial amount of time, say 5+ years.   No Reggie Jacksons or Roberto Alomars.    But otherwise their whole career counts.   

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, El Gordo said:

You need to look at Eddie's numbers Manny so far: 

.281

.331

.480

.811

118

 Eddie though age 25 

.291

.354

.493

.847

136

Eddie won 3 GG had 3 straight years  of 156 OPS+ followed by a 157. He was ROY and a 7 time AL AS . Manny may get that good but he isn't that level now.

Manny already has two GG (one platinum) playing a premium defensive position. Eddie could have been the best defensive 1B in history and he would not have half the defensive value of a player like Manny. Eddie's offensive numbers are compelling but Manny is a more complete baseball player. Manny already has 3 years of 6.5+ WAR. (Eddie had zero in his first 6 years). I would take Manny if the question is pure baseball talent. Obviously if the question is cumulative impact then you have to go with Eddie.

[Frobby]

7 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Manny already has two GG (one platinum) playing a premium defensive position. Eddie could have been the best defensive 1B in history and he would not have half the defensive value of a player like Manny. Eddie's offensive numbers are compelling but Manny is a more complete baseball player. Manny already has 3 years of 6.5+ WAR. (Eddie had zero in his first 6 years). I would take Manny if the question is pure baseball talent. Obviously if the question is cumulative impact then you have to go with Eddie.

Well said.     Manny's probably never going to be quite the offensive force Eddie was, but when you add in the glove, he's probably the higher impact player.     But Eddie was elite for a decade, and then solidly above average for another decade.      Not everyone is able to maintain that, no matter how good they were in their early to mid 20's.

But while we're on the subject of comparing the two, I'm enjoying Manny's new-found, Eddie-like propensity for hitting grand slams.