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Question - Is Ubaldo's Contract "Guaranteed" ?

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Which would mean that, under certain circumstances, not all of a contract is guaranteed.

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Right. You are right. A one year contract that does not make it out of spring training, or at least past a certain date, is not guaranteed. When they start playing baseball, they all are. No take backs.

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Of course, Kasmir is essentially the Lew Ford of pitching. Who would have guessed?

Yeah, previous to this season, Kazmir had a career E.R.A. of 4.16, a career W.H.I.P. of 1.398, and had averaged 1 walk for every 2.27 innings pitched.

Solid numbers, but not spectacular.

Last year, Kazmir's numbers were a little bit better than what his career numbers had been ....... a 4.04 E.R.A., and a 1.323 W.H.I.P.

It would have been nice if the Orioles could have foreseen that Kazmir would be pitching to the tune of a 2.78 E.R.A., a 1.054 W.H.I.P., and been by far at an all-time low in terms of batters walked per innings pitched (33 walks in 149 innings pitched, for an average of 1 walk every 4.52 innings pitched) in the middle of August, but I believe that that is asking for a lot of foresight ...... in fact, it's essentially hindsight.

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I hate to think about this but I am presuming Ubaldo's contract is "guaranteed" money so that no matter how bad he stinks when pitching and even if it is so badly that the Orioles are forced to cut him from the team, he still gets paid all that jack anyway right?

If so, the Orioles need to start putting an escape clause in their contracts as to "failure to perform to the ability of a major leaguer."

Pages 284-285 address this question. 7.(b)(2) offers a glimmer of hope if that's your desire, but in my (untrained) opinion it is pretty much negated by the fact that, as bad as Ubaldo's been, he still gets ML batters out often enough to be considered more than competent for the purposes of this discussion.

I don't believe the MLBPA would ever agree to giving the owners the sort of leverage you're suggesting during any contract negotiation, especially considering the difficult in quantifying the notion "ability of a major leaguer".

http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

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Unless he does something stupid like punches a judge and the team can use it as ethical violations of his contract, his contract is guaranteed, bottom line. Even then, they'd still owe him money.

Sidney got his. You are right.

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