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I'll make a prediction.I believe Ubaldo will be a very good if not excellent acquisition for the Orioles.Maybe not this year, but maybe so. I just think he has talent and they have to find a way to cut down on his "moving parts" . I BELIEVE THEY CAN. They did with Tillman.

In my heart of hearts I believe you Roy. The guy is still talented, there's no denying that. But, it's becoming clearer with every start that he has to change something up. His delivery and pitches, when they are in the strike zone, aren't fooling people because he doesn't have the velocity anymore to pull it off. They even made the observation with Gausman today that he was getting away with certain pitches because he could reel back and throw it 94-97. Ubaldo can't do that anymore consistently. If he's going to become more consistent outside of his control issues, he has to change something, but you can live with control issues if you can still fool people and be deceptive, but he's not doing that.

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I'll make a prediction.I believe Ubaldo will be a very good if not excellent acquisition for the Orioles.Maybe not this year, but maybe so. I just think he has talent and they have to find a way to cut down on his "moving parts" . I BELIEVE THEY CAN. They did with Tillman.

Successful or not, at this time he's a reclamation project very much worth the effort. Personally I don't believe that this should come at the risk of what's already been accomplished by the team so far. Not that it matters...

I also expect him to get two more starts minimum before he's relegated to the BP.

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Unless he does something stupid like punches a judge and the team can use it as ethical violations of his contract, his contract is guaranteed, bottom line. Even then, they'd still owe him money.

The players union in baseball is very strong.

I think that he could hit a judge with a bone-crunching, Joe Frazier-like left hook, and still get his money.

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News flash! We have night baseball now!

How can you possibly not know that multi year baseball contracts are guaranteed. It's only been that way for close to 40 years!

I knew they were if the player was injured like Brian Roberts was but not if you sucked so badly you should be cut at least for subsequent years without some sort of loophole

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I'll make a prediction.I believe Ubaldo will be a very good if not excellent acquisition for the Orioles.Maybe not this year, but maybe so. I just think he has talent and they have to find a way to cut down on his "moving parts" . I BELIEVE THEY CAN. They did with Tillman.

Yeah, I don't know where you really get this idea. Jimenez is not Tillman and in fact there is a very big difference. When he was in Cleveland they tried to rework his mechanics with disastrous results. Why? Because Ubaldo said it's the only way he's ever pitched and he wasn't comfortable changing. Tillman was basically developed by us and new what he was doing wasn't working.

I think Malike detailed it but his career has really amounted to two successful half seasons. The Indians were lucky that they changed pitching coaches and Mickey Callahan figured out a way to get him focused enough for a time to repeat that mess of a delivery.

But make no mistake, if there are changes to be made in simplifying his delivery then he's going to have to change his mind about a few things.

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In my heart of hearts I believe you Roy. The guy is still talented, there's no denying that. But, it's becoming clearer with every start that he has to change something up. His delivery and pitches, when they are in the strike zone, aren't fooling people because he doesn't have the velocity anymore to pull it off. They even made the observation with Gausman today that he was getting away with certain pitches because he could reel back and throw it 94-97. Ubaldo can't do that anymore consistently. If he's going to become more consistent outside of his control issues, he has to change something, but you can live with control issues if you can still fool people and be deceptive, but he's not doing that.

Apparently the way he pitched last season in September was a fluke. His S

April stats are the real Ubaldo.

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Unless he does something stupid like punches a judge and the team can use it as ethical violations of his contract, his contract is guaranteed, bottom line. Even then, they'd still owe him money.
The players union in baseball is very strong.

I think that he could hit a judge with a bone-crunching, Joe Frazier-like left hook, and still get his money.

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I remember reading all the pro and con headlines on the Ubaldo Jimenez signing. I know my hopes were high. But, the general consensus seemed to be negative, and now that appears to have been right. Makes you wonder what Duquette saw in Jimenez that made him feel differently from the masses.....Or is it possible that DD quietly succumbed to the “do something!” pressure from fans and the media and made a dumb move?

What we basically have is a career .500 pitcher, whose seasons fluctuate wildly between bad and good, with a couple mediocre seasons thrown in every now and then. Maybe we'll get lucky and this was his bad year. If so, Jimenez might give us a good year and a couple mediocre ones before he's gone.

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I remember reading all the pro and con headlines on the Ubaldo Jimenez signing. I know my hopes were high. But, the general consensus seemed to be negative, and now that appears to have been right. Makes you wonder what Duquette saw in Jimenez that made him feel differently from the masses.....Or is it possible that DD quietly succumbed to the ?do something!? pressure from fans and the media and made a dumb move?

What we basically have is a career .500 pitcher, whose seasons fluctuate wildly between bad and good, with a couple mediocre seasons thrown in every now and then. Maybe we'll get lucky and this was his bad year. If so, Jimenez might give us a good year and a couple mediocre ones before he's gone.

Ubaldo's command issues remind me a bit of Daniel Cabrera, who when he was on was dominating and when he couldn't keep from walking people was horrible. No middle ground with either one, but when the bad outings out number the good by a wide margin ended up being "addition by subtraction" to the team which is where I see Ubaldo heading - money wasted or not.

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The annual "unlike" player threads...every year they exist, rational or not and continue whenever a sub par performance occurs. They rarely ever acknowledge good performances, just lurk until they can complain. Think back..Mora, Ramon Hernandez, Gregg, Gonzalez, Reynolds, and others. So, 3+ more years of this stuff for UJ every time he under performs expectations here. Who's next?

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