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First paragraph of the first google hit for "bonilla mets contract".

The article makes it sound like the Mets got a decent deal but I question the 8% a year roi they are using.

Well at the time they were using the Bernie Madoff Accounting system so they were probably actually getting even better than that, albeit they didn't know (or didn't care) it was all swindled.

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Health is my only real concern. I think his bat will age relatively well. Looking at the other options available at SS, this makes sense.

Cruz is far less of a priority in my mind. Let him take the QO, put De Aza in left and let Pierce and Davis rotate through DH and 1B.

Really?

Why will his bat age well?

How many middle infielders have aged well bat or glove?

HR/RBI last 4 years

30/80

22/68

25/76

9/52

He is already not aging well

I'm amazed at all the people happy about the JJ Hardy signing and wanting to sign Cruz

are you the same people snickering at the Yankees for filling out their roster with players past their primes?

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Really?

Why will his bat age well?

How many middle infielders have aged well bat or glove?

HR/RBI last 4 years

30/80

22/68

25/76

9/52

He is already not aging well

I'm amazed at all the people happy about the JJ Hardy signing and wanting to sign Cruz

are you the same people snickering at the Yankees for filling out their roster with players past their primes?

But we're not "filling out our roster" with players past their prime.

If we extend Cruz, he's a primary DH. Look at DH's and how many of them produce in their mid to late 30's.

As for Hardy, maybe his bat is declining, maybe it isn't but one thing is certain, his defense hasn't gone anywhere. If he continues to defend at around the level he's established over the last few years, that's the important part. Furthermore, his HRs may have been down this year but his average was there and his LD rate was above his career average. He could absolutely bounce back to a 15-20 HR guy next year.

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I can't believe DD is signing everyone in sight from this years team... all because PA turned down his vacation request for Christmas. Sign them all + nothing to do around Christmas = sitting around the fire roasting chestnuts... at home. Then, he can just find some cheap quality and may even be able to take a day or so before ST.

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Especially when you factor in that he's been a great bargain the last four seasons ($5.85 mill. in 2011 and $7 mill. / year 2012-14).

The Red Sox had a great deal on Pedroia when he was way underpaid in his MVP year

so they sentimantily signed him to long term deal that is already looking bad.

Overpaying JJ to reward him for being underpaid the past 4 years is just bad business.

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First paragraph of the first google hit for "bonilla mets contract".

The article makes it sound like the Mets got a decent deal but I question the 8% a year roi they are using.

Eh, I was actually looking to see if anyone knew what rate the Mets were actually paying Bonilla. I just didn't feel like calculating it backwards. The 8% in the article sounds like it's just an example. The principle is the same though.

Of course, they came up with that arrangement back in 1999, so the expected return was probably a lot more optimistic than what was actually earned in the ensuing years, even if they had invested it safely. Madoff was telling them that if they invested the money with him, he'd get them 10-15%.

http://deadspin.com/5886867/how-bernie-madoffs-money-ran-the-mets

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Not very many. In the 41 years of the DH there have been 60 instances of a DH who played 100+ games at the position and had at least a 110 OPS+, from age 35-on.

It seems like Baines, Edgar Martinez and Ortiz are the norm. Perception equals reality for me, I suppose.

For some perspective, how many total instances are there of age 35+ DHs playing 100 or more games? In other words, what kind of percentage are we looking at for OPS+ 110 or more vs less?

I would think that, if you're playing 100+ games at that age (35+) you'd have to be fairly productive. Aside from the Yankees, I wouldn't think that many teams would allow older, below average players to get consistent ABs. Especially at a position where you can only impact the game at the plate.

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The Red Sox had a great deal on Pedroia when he was way underpaid in his MVP year

so they sentimantily signed him to long term deal that is already looking bad.

Overpaying JJ to reward him for being underpaid the past 4 years is just bad business.

Why does Pedroia's deal look bad? 4.8 rWAR in 2014.

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The Red Sox had a great deal on Pedroia when he was way underpaid in his MVP year

so they sentimantily signed him to long term deal that is already looking bad.

Overpaying JJ to reward him for being underpaid the past 4 years is just bad business.

What does Pedroia have to do with this conversation? He signed a 7/$100M deal. Hardy signed a 3/$39M deal. The Hardy deal is much more low risk.

BTW you still have addressed who you would install at SS.

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Why does Pedroia's deal look bad? 4.8 rWAR in 2014.
This season, Pedroia has posted career lows in batting average (.278), on-base percentage (.337), slugging percentage (.376), home runs (7), doubles (33), total bases (207), and stolen bases (6), while grounding into 14 double plays, one behind David Ortiz for most on the team.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/09/10/dustin-pedroia-will-have-hand-surgery-thursday/ybFsIw143PaDes4Vu7cIaI/story.html

Left hand surgery two off seasons in a row.

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