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Really?

Why will his bat age well?

How many middle infielders have aged well bat or glove?

HR/RBI last 4 years

30/80

22/68

25/76

9/52

He is already not aging well

I'm amazed at all the people happy about the JJ Hardy signing and wanting to sign Cruz

are you the same people snickering at the Yankees for filling out their roster with players past their primes?

He was pretty consistent before this year. I think the power numbers are an aberration based on the back problems. He has historically been a hitter with a high contact rate, so I think he will age reasonably well.

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Really?

Why will his bat age well?

How many middle infielders have aged well bat or glove?

HR/RBI last 4 years

30/80

22/68

25/76

9/52

He is already not aging well

I'm amazed at all the people happy about the JJ Hardy signing and wanting to sign Cruz

are you the same people snickering at the Yankees for filling out their roster with players past their primes?

Webbrick with a negative reaction....who woulda thunk it? :rolleyes:

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He was pretty consistent before this year. I think the power numbers are an aberration based on the back problems. He has historically been a hitter with a high contact rate, so I think he will age reasonably well.

I'm not terribly against this, but when have you ever heard of a guy in his 30s with back problems waking up one day and proclaiming his back is cured? I think the best we can hope for is that Hardy's back doesn't get much worse. Almost everyone plays less often as they enter their 30s and Hardy hasn't been a model of health throughout his career.

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In this case he has some legitimate concerns. It is risky to sign a 31-year-old middle infielder with a history of back problems to a multi-year extension. But, of course webbrick states it in his own unique, pessimistic way...

I agree, I do however, think Hardy will be worth the value for the next three years. It's a defensible sign, in my opinion.

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In this case he has some legitimate concerns. It is risky to sign a 31-year-old middle infielder with a history of back problems to a multi-year extension. But, of course webbrick states it in his own unique, pessimistic way...

Is it Risky, yes, it is.

Sometimes crossing the street can be risky.

However, some of us, remember the string of shortstops after Tejeda's first stint with the club, and that is a very bad taste, that nobody wants to taste again.

The FA market of affordable quality 3rd and SS is lacking.

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Well if you believe in defensive metrics that indicate he is a way superior 2B than Schoop, that's fine

His OPS of .711 and OPS+ of 101 were career lows in 2014, and he finished the season with yet another wrist surgery.

He is signed thru his age 37 (2021) season, and 2B typically age worse than any other position.

It will be a terrible signing for the Red Sox

But you said it already is a bad contract. That's what I was contesting. If you want to back out defense, unless you think he is currently below replacement level, his oWAR is 2.8 and he got paid $12.5. Hardly terrible. I'm not advocating signing a MI into their late 30s, but neither are the Orioles.

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Love ma' O's. Don't like this deal. I appreciate the warm gooey feelings of the playoffs but we're talking about a 32 year old shortstop who's homers have been cut by more than half and taking a walk has never been his game. It's impossible to predict how any player will age but history has not been kind to shortstops in their 30s.

It will be nice having him back next year but our payroll flexibility is going to be really handcuffed. Wish I could be optimistic.

You could be if you tried. It's his defense that's the most important. IMO

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I agree, I do however, think Hardy will be worth the value for the next three years. It's a defensible sign, in my opinion.

I think it's pretty likely he's worth it on a $/WAR in free agency basis. His defense has been very good despite his lack of speed. I'm just wary of a year or two where he misses half the season with injuries.

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Do you think the Red Sox will be unable to keep buying players? If not, why's the contract so bad?

For one thing they have several middle infield prospects that they will have to move to another position (like Mookie Betts), or trade before they become stars while suffering with a replacement level Pedroia. It's not just the money it's giving playing time to guys that no longer produce because they are paid like they should produce.

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I'm not terribly against this, but when have you ever heard of a guy in his 30s with back problems waking up one day and proclaiming his back is cured? I think the best we can hope for is that Hardy's back doesn't get much worse. Almost everyone plays less often as they enter their 30s and Hardy hasn't been a model of health throughout his career.

Randy Johnson was sidelined with a back injury (disc problems) in 1996 he was pretty good thereafter. I agree he is the exception though.

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