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aewell Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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In LA, why?

He still traded for him. You said DD didn't target those types of players. We just gave you two examples.

He was traded from Atl to La. I didnt say he never signed fly ball pitchers. But because of C Yards and Bucks focus on defense they prefer ground ball pitchers

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He did indeed say that only 2 starters are on the market now and that 15 teams want starting pitching. He mentioned that more pitchers will be on the market as the deadline draws nearer. He signaled that he is very willing to trade prospects to try to win a pennant.

That is what I remember as well. He had a few other interesting comments as well:

Our minor league organization is there to provide players for the major league team, whether that means our MiL players themselves or people who we trade them for (common refrain from Dan).

He talked about Parker Bridwell as if we will see him in an Orioles uniform this season. He wasn't really very coy about it either. In fact he might have said outright that he expects Bridwell to be up and make a contribution to the big league team this season.

He didn't poo poo the notion of piggy-backing starters. He said we have a lot of good arms in the organization, maybe not guys who can get through the opposing team's lineup 3 times, but guys who at this stage in their development could get through 1 or 2 times. He specifically mentioned Wilson and Bundy.

All in all one of the more candid spots that I've seen with Dan.

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I have no problem with Shoemaker this year as well as Hellickson, or Santana. I just don't want to be stuck with him for the next 4 years. There are other more interesting choices in next year FA than him for a #5 SP.

You aren't "stuck with him for the next 4 years". He has 4 years of team control left. He'll be a Super Two after this year and will make a couple million bucks at most next year.

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I have no problem with Shoemaker this year as well as Hellickson, or Santana. I just don't want to be stuck with him for the next 4 years. There are other more interesting choices in next year FA than him for a #5 SP.

Yeah but who are you willing to give away for any of them. Listen if its for b level c level prospects.. Take a flyer.. but no blue chippers for those 2.

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Why wouldn't you want Shoemaker for the next 4 years? He'd be a #3 on this team going forward. At least.

Who off this list would you want?

CJ Wilson

Jered Weaver

Brett Anderson

Jake Peavy

Jorge de la Rosa

RA Dickey

Hisashi Iwakuma

Edinson Volquez

Bartolo Colon

Andrew Cashner

Doug Fister

Jeremy Hellickson

Rich Hill

Colby Lewis

Kris Medlen

Bronson Arroyo

Ivan Nova

Jeremy Guthrie

Tim Lincecum

Bud Norris

Kyle Lohse

Alfredo Simon

Felix Dubrount

Jhoulys Chacin

Mat Latos

Brandon Marrow

Kyle Kendrick

Brad Penny

Ricky Romero

Jair Jurrjens

Aneury Rodriguez

Eric Stultz

Rick VandenHurk

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That is what I remember as well. He had a few other interesting comments as well:

Our minor league organization is there to provide players for the major league team, whether that means our MiL players themselves or people who we trade them for (common refrain from Dan).

He talked about Parker Bridwell as if we will see him in an Orioles uniform this season. He wasn't really very coy about it either. In fact he might have said outright that he expects Bridwell to be up and make a contribution to the big league team this season.

He didn't poo poo the notion of piggy-backing starters. He said we have a lot of good arms in the organization, maybe not guys who can get through the opposing team's lineup 3 times, but guys who at this stage in their development could get through 1 or 2 times. He specifically mentioned Wilson and Bundy.

All in all one of the more candid spots that I've seen with Dan.

Thats what GM's do. He wants it to get out that the O's are not going to over spend (trades) on SP.. Poker face

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Why wouldn't you want Shoemaker for the next 4 years? He'd be a #3 on this team going forward. At least.
He has declined since his one good year. I think next year we have a rotation of Tillman, Gausman, Gallardo, Bundy, and a #5, I want someone better than Shoe maker.
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So now you admit he is on the decline. But you still want to trade good prospects for another declining pitcher ? SMH

He is 29 and in his third full season in the majors. He was great in his first season and has been average in the last two, likely with the league adjusting to his stuff. I don't think I would call that a decline. His FIP the last two seasons are 3.66 (this year) and 4.59. He strikes out a batter an inning.

I'm not advocating going after him specifically just trying to be clear on what type of players I expect the team to go after and what they will cost.

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