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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

 

I think Joey can play defense because I actually watched him do it.

Well, that settles it.

I watched him too, he was bad. Terrible routes, poor decisions, and not a good arm. He's athletic though, so sometimes he can make an awful play look like a good one. He did that quite a bit.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sure, that is all fair game and the reason I think it won't work out.

But his problems at third were mostly due to throwing yips.

That won't be a problem in the outfield.  He'll have plenty of time to work out the proper throwing mindset while chasing routine flies bouncing to the wall, Delmon Young style.

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3 hours ago, Babypowder said:

Well, that settles it.

I watched him too, he was bad. Terrible routes, poor decisions, and not a good arm. He's athletic though, so sometimes he can make an awful play look like a good one. He did that quite a bit.

You know what? Buck is a better judge of talent than any one who posts here.That has to be a given. And he has access to more sophisticated numbers. And he feels that Joey is a superior defender. That's good enough for me. Your eye test certainly doesn't trump(sic) that.

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10 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I'd like a few examples of -10 to -20 corner infielders moving to the outfield and being acceptable.  There won't be many samples in your dataset because that's like giving a guy who couldn't put together an IKEA cabinet a job building a house.

You see?  This is what I'm talking about!  

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3 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

You know what? Buck is a better judge of talent than any one who posts hereThat has to be a given. And he has access to more sophisticated numbers. And he feels tha Joey is a superior defender. That's good enough for me. You eye test certainly doesn't trump(sic) that.

Superior to who? Trumbo? Kim? Sure. Maybe a bit. That does not mean the same thing as "good".

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4 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

You know what? Buck is a better judge of talent than any one who posts hereThat has to be a given. And he has access to more sophisticated numbers. And he feels tha Joey is a superior defender. That's good enough for me. You eye test certainly doesn't trump(sic) that.

While he hasn't posted recently we do have at least one professional scout.  I don't take it a given that Buck can do that scout's job better.

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4 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

You know what? Buck is a better judge of talent than any one who posts hereThat has to be a given. And he has access to more sophisticated numbers. And he feels tha Joey is a superior defender. That's good enough for me. You eye test certainly doesn't trump(sic) that.

A superior defender to who? Trumbo? 

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

While he hasn't posted recently we do have at least one professional scout.  I don't take it a given that Buck can do that scout's job better.

Buck's job as a manager is in part to judge who has the better skills at a given position. Buck is a very successful manger in part because he does that very well. A scout's job is to acess potential. How many Scouts become siuccessful managers. To compare Buck to a scout is a joke.

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5 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Based on how Buck uses them I'd rank them 

Jones

Rickard

Gentry

Taverez

Bourn

Kim

Trumbo

They are what we have to work with.

 

Gentry has been an elite defender throughout his career.  I know he's older now but I assume he's still a significantly better defensive player than Rickard. 

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