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ChuckS Hangout Grand Counsel

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Everyone is reading too much into this.  He got signed to a minor league deal.  I don't think he makes the major league roster unless there is an injury.  

If Kim or Smith gets injured that could open a spot at DH with Trumbo moving to the the OF full time. 

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I'd like a few examples of -10 to -20 corner infielders moving to the outfield and being acceptable.  There won't be many samples in your dataset because that's like giving a guy who couldn't put together an IKEA cabinet a job building a house.

Not a corner but look at Trea Turner's year as a first time outfielder.

 

Baseball Savant  https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=607208&pos=CF&player_type=batter&season=2016&tab=defense_tab#

Fangraphs   http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=16252&position=2B/OF

Baseball Refernce   http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turnetr01-field.shtml

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I'd like a few examples of -10 to -20 corner infielders moving to the outfield and being acceptable.  There won't be many samples in your dataset because that's like giving a guy who couldn't put together an IKEA cabinet a job building a house.

First of all, Pedro Alvarez wasn't a "-10 to -20" guy at third. His last four seasons at third with the Pirates were -9, -5, +3 and -5. And the only negative aspect of his fielding was his inability to throw the ball to first base. By contrast, Alex Gordon's last four seasons at third base for the Royals were +6, -8, -3 and -4. So they were pretty comparable, except that Gordon's problems weren't in his throwing but in the field. So the Royals moved him to left field. He has four Gold Glove awards.

So yeah, it can work.

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2 minutes ago, Moondoggie said:

First of all, Pedro Alvarez wasn't a "-10 to -20" guy at third. His last four seasons at third with the Pirates were -9, -5, +3 and -5. And the only negative aspect of his fielding was his inability to throw the ball to first base. By contrast, Alex Gordon's last four seasons at third base for the Royals were +6, -8, -3 and -4. So they were pretty comparable, except that Gordon's problems weren't in his throwing but in the field. So the Royals moved him to left field. He has four Gold Glove awards.

So yeah, it can work.

But yeah, it probably won't.  ;)

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55 minutes ago, Moondoggie said:

Just to add here, I saw him play quite a bit with the Pirates. But it's not enough to see him play, you have to watch him play. Now I'm no scout (and don't pretend to be one on the internet), but I've seen him make some very athletic plays. Athleticism was never his problem. And just because a guy is big doesn't mean he's a slug. The Pirates were never afraid to let him steal (he had 8 a few years ago) or take an extra base.

Now, is Pedro going to become a Gold Glove outfielder? Of course not. But it's quite possible he could be a serviceable outfielder if he has any instincts for it at all. He won't be making the same infield throws that have given him problems and there will be none of the complicated footwork required at first base. The only way to find out is to give him a chance and work with him. There's nothing to lose here for the Orioles. They're not blocking any big outfield prospects by giving him some playing time. The cost will be minimal if it doesn't work out. So I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about.

Agreed, no harm as long as he really does go to the minor leagues.

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5 hours ago, Moondoggie said:

I actually think this thing is worth a shot on a minor league deal. Pedro never had a problem catching popups or short fly balls. His problem at third was throwing errors (24 of his 25 in 2014). He was actually scouted at Vandy as having excellent defensive skills. So maybe he can catch fly balls and hit the cutoff man. If so, it will just depend on whether or not he has any instincts for it and giving him some experience. If not, the Orioles aren't out much. It's not like they're blocking any big prospects. 

 

This! Pedro hurts this team in some ways and helps in some ways. And just the glut of OFers we have, he's really not needed. But on a minor league deal... you pull the trigger in a second and ask questions later.

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Just now, scOtt said:

 

This! Pedro hurts this team in some ways and helps in some ways. And just the glut of OFers we have, he's really not needed. But on a minor league deal... you pull the trigger in a second and ask questions later.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they shouldn't sign him to a minor league deal and stash him at Norfolk.

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