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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I will disagree with this one.

You can't run a team like that.

You just can't.

You can't be that inflexible.

It just isn't realistic.

If, as you state, he had nothing to learn in the Minors then how would you force him to make the adjustment of "NIBBLING" and not trusting his stuff???

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If, as you state, he had nothing to learn in the Minors then how would you force him to make the adjustment of "NIBBLING" and not trusting his stuff???

When did I say that?

I'd love to see a quote of me saying he had nothing to learn in the minors. 

Was I drunk posting back in 2012? 

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

When did I say that?

I'd love to see a quote of me saying he had nothing to learn in the minors. 

Was I drunk posting back in 2012? 

You stated he was not having any failure in the Minors hence I gathered that you thought that he had nothing to learn.  I should know that you seldom post exactly your thought process and when someone reads something into your posts it gives you more fodder for discourse.  I bit into this and I am sorry I put assumed words in your mouth.

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6 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

You stated he was not having any failure in the Minors hence I gathered that you thought that he had nothing to learn.  I should know that you seldom post exactly your thought process and when someone reads something into your posts it gives you more fodder for discourse.  I bit into this and I am sorry I put assumed words in your mouth.

I thought I was being clear when I pulled a single line out of your post and said that wouldn't work.

It took prolong failure at the ML level and getting traded to get through to Jake.

Keeping him at AAA wouldn't have done it.

Do I think he was a finished product the first time he was promoted?  Nope.

But I understand that guys get promoted before they are ready all the time. 

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45 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

The Orioles promoted him, he had some failures at the MLB Level, they sent him bak down and promoted him back up before those failures were corrected.  He never had faced them head on because at the time he was on the forty and the best available arm.  In his mind he knew this and used his demotion more as a rest period instead of a punitive type thing.  By recalling him before things were fixed the Orioles propagated the thought process and extended the learning curve.

My opinion:  Connor and Adair (and maybe Buck) screwed him up during his 2nd/3rd year in the majors.   He was ready enough when he came up and was progressing nicely under Krantz.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

My opinion:  Connor and Adair (and maybe Buck) screwed him up during his 2nd/3rd year in the majors.   He was ready enough when he came up and was progressing nicely under Krantz.

Perhaps unfair but for me Buck made a mistake in letting Kranitz go. And I felt that way at the time.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't understand the logic of promoting someone without options given the state of the pitching staff.

This move seemed inevitable.

I won't be surprised if he ends up back in Norfolk.

He had an opt out. They had to make a move one way or another and Hart wasn't pitching well.  I get why they did it. Not like they kept him for a long time. 

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