Our Pitching Castoffs

[rubberarm21]

Pretty sure this post will get destroyed like anything posted by any outsider ever... but I wanted to check 2017 stats for some arms that we used to have around:

Orioles Castoffs	W	L	ERA	G	ER	IP	WHIP	Exit Notes
Parker Bridwell	5	1	2.83	9	17	54	1.185	traded for a player to be named later and cash considerations
Zach Davies	12	5	4.42	22	61	124.1	1.416	traded for Gerardo Parra from Milwaukee
Ariel Miranda	7	5	4.41	22	62	126.2	1.153	traded for Wade Miley
Miguel Gonzalez	5	9	4.59	16	50	98	1.5	released by the Orioles on 4/1/16
*Bud Norris	1	4	3.89	44	18	41.2	1.272	released by Orioles on 8/8/2015
*David Hernandez	5	6	4.48	62	31	62.1	1.187	traded for Mark Reynolds (along with Kam Mickolio)
Totals:	35	30	4.25	175	239	505.6	1.30
Orioles Rotation	W	L	ERA	G	ER	IP	WHIP
Kevin Gausman	8	7	5.37	23	72	120.2	1.68
Dylan Bundy	10	8	4.24	21	60	127.1	1.22
Wade Miley	5	9	5.6	22	68	109.1	1.76
Chris Tillman	1	6	7.65	14	55	64.2	1.98
Ubaldo Jimenez	4	7	6.56	22	77	105.2	1.52
Totals:	28	37	5.68	102	332	525.8	1.59
* Bullpen - Relief Pitching

[Cumberbundy]

I'm an "outsider" and the OH treats me like the long lost cousin they begrudgingly love.

Ed Rod, TJ McFarland, Hader, Jake?

That Davies change up is nasty. 

[Cumberbundy]

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[stef]

Some discussion on this topic here:

 

[stef]

I often complain about moves but trading Hernandez, whom I liked as a reliever, was not a bad move and parting ways with Norris was a good thing. Now the others....

[Finisher]

Hernandez actually has a 2.23 ERA.

Hader with a 0.90 ERA. That is the one that stings.

And you can do this with every team in baseball.

[Frobby]

47 minutes ago, Finisher said:

And you can do this with every team in baseball.

But every team in baseball doesn't have an ERA over 5.00.

[cheecks]

From the article:

The Angels showed him a series of cut-up videos indicating the location of his pitches that the opposition had been hitting, and presented evidence that he would be better off throwing fewer fastballs.

That was a shock. For years, the Orioles had harped on the importance of establishing and locating four-seam fastballs. This season, he has halved his four-seam usage in favor of a cutter, slider and sinker, and six of his seven outings as an Angel have been successful.

 

Good grief. What is wrong with our organization's inability to develop pitchers?

[Il BuonO]

32 minutes ago, cheecks said:

From the article:

The Angels showed him a series of cut-up videos indicating the location of his pitches that the opposition had been hitting, and presented evidence that he would be better off throwing fewer fastballs.

That was a shock. For years, the Orioles had harped on the importance of establishing and locating four-seam fastballs. This season, he has halved his four-seam usage in favor of a cutter, slider and sinker, and six of his seven outings as an Angel have been successful.

 

Good grief. What is wrong with our organization's inability to develop pitchers?

Nothing is wrong with their inability. They've been underwhelming in that department for a while. Pitching philosophy starts from the top down. Establishing the FB takes precedence over anyone using all their pitches from the very beginning of a game.

I remember watching Wieters call 12 FBs in a row at the start of a game and the pitcher (I think it was Tillman) throwing them. The results weren't good because I remember pleading for him to call anything else. Mind boggling.

Hitters will time pitches and if your philosophy is to "establish" one pitch in favor of others then you're giving the other team an advantage. Pitching is disrupting timing.

[Frobby]

8 hours ago, cheecks said:

From the article:

The Angels showed him a series of cut-up videos indicating the location of his pitches that the opposition had been hitting, and presented evidence that he would be better off throwing fewer fastballs.

That was a shock. For years, the Orioles had harped on the importance of establishing and locating four-seam fastballs. This season, he has halved his four-seam usage in favor of a cutter, slider and sinker, and six of his seven outings as an Angel have been successful.

 

Good grief. What is wrong with our organization's inability to develop pitchers?

Fully discussed in the prior thread.  

 

[Tx Oriole]

7 hours ago, Il BuonO said:

Nothing is wrong with their inability. They've been underwhelming in that department for a while. Pitching philosophy starts from the top down. Establishing the FB takes precedence over anyone using all their pitches from the very beginning of a game.

I remember watching Wieters call 12 FBs in a row at the start of a game and the pitcher (I think it was Tillman) throwing them. The results weren't good because I remember pleading for him to call anything else. Mind boggling.

Hitters will time pitches and if your philosophy is to "establish" one pitch in favor of others then you're giving the other team an advantage. Pitching is disrupting timing.

The O's used to have good pitching development. Wish this regime could find out what happened and correct it. 

[Camden_yardbird]

9 hours ago, cheecks said:

From the article:

The Angels showed him a series of cut-up videos indicating the location of his pitches that the opposition had been hitting, and presented evidence that he would be better off throwing fewer fastballs.

That was a shock. For years, the Orioles had harped on the importance of establishing and locating four-seam fastballs. This season, he has halved his four-seam usage in favor of a cutter, slider and sinker, and six of his seven outings as an Angel have been successful.

 

Good grief. What is wrong with our organization's inability to develop pitchers?

I think the biggest problem is a zealous devotion to one approach for all pitchers (fastball location, TTP).  It just doesn't work that way.

[Aristotelian]

We have (or have had) our share of castoffs from other organizations. Brach, O'Day, Bleier, Castro were all in other organizations, currently on the roster now. Tillman. Miguel Gonzalez was a castoff before we cast him off. Webb, Roe, Worley. What goes around comes around, you can't win them all. I would love to have Hader back, though.

[Ruzious]

Miranda's been the best of the castoffs, imo.  He's got the best WHIP, the most innings, a reasonable ERA.  And he's a lefty.  I remember whining that the O's should put him in the rotation.  

[FlipTheBird]

4 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

The O's used to have good pitching development. Wish this regime could find out what happened and correct it. 

When, in the 70s? This organization has failed to produce young pitching for... well, most of my life. And I was born in the mid-80s.