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54 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

I agree with you. The first point is not relevant to the point I was trying to make. As to the second, I could argue with you -- Angelos has continued to be the subject of ridicule and derision, even if "laughingstock" is a little strong. But I included it because I believe from everything I've read that the decade-plus of putdowns has not been forgotten and that it reinforces Angelos' desperate desire to have his moment in the sun (the sun, not The Sun).  

I just hope he’s desperate enough to actually spend some money on pitchers who have a good chance to be above average.   Otherwise, what’s the point?

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1 hour ago, weams said:

Our old nemesis the speedy Royals are doing a full teardown. And they traded off no one. 

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/judging-the-royals/article184364583.html

We will be facing essentially this same scenario next offseason and it will be even worse than where the Royals are now.  We will likely be looking at 3-4 years in the wilderness, and that is if someone either in current leadership or the next GM gets the rebuild right. 

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10 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

We will be facing essentially this same scenario next offseason and it will be even worse than where the Royals are now.  We will likely be looking at 3-4 years in the wilderness, and that is if someone either in current leadership or the next GM gets the rebuild right. 

The Orioles might trade some. 

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I'm in the full rebuild camp because I don't think the moves we make this off season will be enough.

As much as I'd hate to see guys like Machado, Britton, and Jones playing somewhere else, they have plenty of value and the possible return we would get for them could help make the rebuild a lot shorter. Letting them walk in free agency with probably only Machado bringing back a comp pick would be crazy.

I think the FO fully intends to play 2018 out and believes it can contend with additions like Chatwood or Cobb. Yes they would probably be an improvement over what we had in 2017, but we would also need guys like Davis, Trumbo and the bullpen to return to 2016 form. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it all falling into place.

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I find it sad that Roch can't even imagine the O's being serious players for Darvish or Arietta.  I'm not saying that I want the O's do go into all-out, win-now mode in 2018, but if the O's really were going to go all-out, shouldn't they be serious players for the best starting pitchers on the free agent market?

I agree with Roch that middle-of-the-road is the worst place for the O's to be.  If they keep Manny and Zach and "upgrade" the rotation by signing Vargas, Cashner and Tillman, they will wind up in 4th place with a bleak future. 

Maybe the best plan for the offseason is to make a serious push for the top-end starters (including Cobb and Lynn), and if that fails, shift gears and become seller/rebuilders.

 

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4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right, after a successful season.

What is the market going to be like after two years of under 500 ball?

While I suspect his age will work against his efforts to land a job leading a team, I think Duquette's work with the Orioles has made him pretty hireable. 

There's been some discussion here about what sort of non-disclosure obligations Duquette will have after his contract with the Orioles has ended. I don't know how that works generally, let alone with the Orioles or Duquette specifically.  I think that if Duquette can speak freely to prospective employers, he'll have a pretty good story about the circumstances he worked under in Baltimore and why things went south in 2017 -- and he may not even have to do that. 

 

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