One reason why the Orioles have not improved their rotation

[Il BuonO]

8 minutes ago, theocean said:

There's no way Arrietta wants to come back here. Darvish is too expensive. I like Cobb and Lynn - but I could easily see their ERAs going over 4.00 next year. It is silly to give a ton of money to a pitcher over 30 that has had Tommy-John surgery with stats that pointing in the wrong direction.

 There's a reason none of these guys have been signed yet. Clubs are skeptical of them.

Arrieta hasn’t had TJ.

Clubs are skeptical of paying anyone beyond three years right now. They all realize the long term deals rarely work out in their favor.

[El Gordo]

8 minutes ago, theocean said:

There's no way Arrietta wants to come back here. Darvish is too expensive. I like Cobb and Lynn - but I could easily see their ERAs going over 4.00 next year. It is silly to give a ton of money to a pitcher over 30 that has had Tommy-John surgery with stats that pointing in the wrong direction.

 There's a reason none of these guys have been signed yet. Clubs are skeptical of them.

If a guy gave you 30 GS and 30 QS he would have an ERA OF 4.50 and at least 180 IP.  I'd take that in a heart beat.

[theocean]

3 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If a guy gave you 30 GS and 30 QS he would have an ERA OF 4.50 and at least 180 IP.  I'd take that in a heart beat.

Sale and Verlander had the most quality starts last year at 23. I understand what you're saying, but I'm sorry, it's a fantasy world to get 30 QS from a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA.

 

[Il BuonO]

7 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If a guy gave you 30 GS and 30 QS he would have an ERA OF 4.50 and at least 180 IP.  I'd take that in a heart beat.

30 QS out of 30 GS? Yeah, very realistic. 

[Tx Oriole]

2 hours ago, esmd said:

Wonder if they checked medicals on Arrietta or Cobb?  I mean seriously, if you're really going to keep Manny and let him walk as a FA, why not REALLY go all in and sign those guys and REALLY try and win a WS?  You can always trade those guys to reduce payroll after the season if you need to go that direction.  But for one year, one friggin year, put all your chips in and go for it.  But this one foot in, one foot out, hokey pokey BS is just another tiresome recipe for 4th place.  SMDH.

I pretty much agree with you. 

[Tx Oriole]

20 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

If a guy gave you 30 GS and 30 QS he would have an ERA OF 4.50 and at least 180 IP.  I'd take that in a heart beat.

So would I. 

[crawjo]

1 hour ago, El Gordo said:

If a guy gave you 30 GS and 30 QS he would have an ERA OF 4.50 and at least 180 IP.  I'd take that in a heart beat.

You mean literally 30 consecutive starts in which a pitcher does the bare minimum to get a quality start and nothing more? So 30 straight starts of 6 innings and 3 runs allowed. That would be okay I suppose except for the fact that no pitcher in history has ever done that. A guy with a 4.50 ERA is going to give you some starts better than that and plenty worse.

[El Gordo]

14 minutes ago, crawjo said:

You mean literally 30 consecutive starts in which a pitcher does the bare minimum to get a quality start and nothing more? So 30 straight starts of 6 innings and 3 runs allowed. That would be okay I suppose except for the fact that no pitcher in history has ever done that. A guy with a 4.50 ERA is going to give you some starts better than that and plenty worse.

The point being that a plus 4.00 ERA isn't so disaterous if you get innings and QS.

[weams]

1 hour ago, Il BuonO said:

Arrieta hasn’t had TJ.

Clubs are skeptical of paying anyone beyond three years right now. They all realize the long term deals rarely work out in their favor.

It was a globular mass that they thought was a bone spur and Jake refused to have it removed for a couple years. He was bad after the surgery, but then seemed to improve. After being traded.  

[oriolediehard]

As long as we don't want to spend we are only going to see garbage pitchers. I don't see any excuses, the Minnesota Twins are a smaller market team than us and they spend.  We should sign Vu Darvish for improvement and to get out of last place.  We need to overpay to get better. I am disappointed that I don't hear over fans outraged about this.  I know spring training is 2 months away, but every year is the same.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

As long as we don't want to spend we are only going to see garbage pitchers. I don't see any excuses, the Minnesota Twins are a smaller market team than us and they spend.  We should sign Vu Darvish for improvement and to get out of last place.  We need to overpay to get better. I am disappointed that I don't hear over fans outraged about this.  I know spring training is 2 months away, but every year is the same.

Spring training is a month away.   Games are less than 6 weeks away.  

[Rene88]

I am sure Duquette is really going to miss this place....

[weams]

9 hours ago, oriolediehard said:

As long as we don't want to spend we are only going to see garbage pitchers. I don't see any excuses, the Minnesota Twins are a smaller market team than us and they spend.  We should sign Vu Darvish for improvement and to get out of last place.  We need to overpay to get better. I am disappointed that I don't hear over fans outraged about this.  I know spring training is 2 months away, but every year is the same.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-twins/payroll/

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/baltimore-orioles/payroll/

[sportsfan8703]

12 hours ago, theocean said:

Sale and Verlander had the most quality starts last year at 23. I understand what you're saying, but I'm sorry, it's a fantasy world to get 30 QS from a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA.

 

Didn’t Dickey have like 18 QS last year?  He’d be a good sign. 

[oriolediehard]

I am fighting a losing battle.  Everyone seems to be more concerned about defending the O's from what others who speak the truth than seeing the real issue.  Go ahead and blast me for saying it as it is.