The Rotation

[El Gordo]

Just now, El Gordo said:

We have plenty of OF depth, we can part with Mancini. He's basically a 1B/DH and he's not the second coming of Hank Aaron.

I'd rather trade Mancini to the Rays for Oderizzi, than Givens to the Stros for McHugh

[tntoriole]

56 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

We have plenty of OF depth, we can part with Mancini. He's basically a 1B/DH and he's not the second coming of Hank Aaron.

Odorizzi is not going to bring anything like Mancini in trade.   Couple of middling prospects and take on nis salary.  

[MDtransplant757]

10 hours ago, tntoriole said:

Odorizzi is not going to bring anything like Mancini in trade.   Couple of middling prospects and take on nis salary.  

Odorizzi is the Joe Flacco of SP's

[LookitsPuck]

10 hours ago, tntoriole said:

Odorizzi is not going to bring anything like Mancini in trade.   Couple of middling prospects and take on nis salary.  

Odorizzi is a FA in 2020. Teams would be trading for 2 years of cheap control from an effective pitcher that's been relatively durable and successful in the AL East. Oh, and he's 27.

He's making $4.1m in 2018.

The last 4 years he's averaged 167 IP, 3.81 ERA, 1.215 WHIP and a 4.23 FIP.

He's going to cost more than middling prospects.

That said, 2017 was interesting for Odorizzi. His HR/9 spiked as did his BB/9. 

HR/9 was a terrible 1.9 (up from his career average of 1.1). 

BB/9 was 3.8 (average prior was 2.7).

[LookitsPuck]

Other thing to remember here: Mancini turns 26 in March. He's a below average defensive OF'er. I think people here might be overvaluing Trey Mancini relative to guys like Odorizzi. Teams are going to be asking if 2017 was a fluke season from Mancini...and what his baseline is? Is it the 2.2 WAR guy in 2017....or does he settle in less?

[clapdiddy]

4 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Odorizzi is the Joe Flacco of SP's

You mean...he's won a Super Bowl?

[MDtransplant757]

7 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

Odorizzi is a FA in 2020. Teams would be trading for 2 years of cheap control from an effective pitcher that's been relatively durable and successful in the AL East. Oh, and he's 27.

He's making $4.1m in 2018.

The last 4 years he's averaged 167 IP, 3.81 ERA, 1.215 WHIP and a 4.23 FIP.

He's going to cost more than middling prospects.

That said, 2017 was interesting for Odorizzi. His HR/9 spiked as did his BB/9. 

HR/9 was a terrible 1.9 (up from his career average of 1.1). 

BB/9 was 3.8 (average prior was 2.7).

I wouldn't give up anything for him, tbh. He's a clear canidate to get worse over time. 

[MDtransplant757]

5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

You mean...he's won a Super Bowl?

Pardon me, Flacco after winning the super bowl

[LookitsPuck]

3 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

I wouldn't give up anything for him, tbh. He's a clear canidate to get worse over time. 

I like Odorizzi. I don't know if I like him enough to trade for him unless we can get creative.

He kind of reminds me of a slightly better Miguel Gonzalez early on his career.

[interloper]

It's hard to express just how much better I feel about this team with just one - JUST ONE! - proven, consistently good starting pitcher on the level of Lynn or Cobb. Yeah there are three open rotation spots, but filling just one, IMO, dramatically improves the outlook of this team. I think they can survive putting the likes of Ynoa, Castro, Wright (ugh), Cortes, Asher, etc in the 4 and 5 slots all year. 

Just give me ONE guy.

[MDtransplant757]

4 hours ago, LookitsPuck said:

I like Odorizzi. I don't know if I like him enough to trade for him unless we can get creative.

He kind of reminds me of a slightly better Miguel Gonzalez early on his career.

If we couple him with a Cobb or someone of that caliber, I’d be ok with it. 

[SteveA]

For what it's worth, today's USA Today predicts where the top 7 remaining free agents will land:

1) Hosmer:  San Diego 7y/$150.5mm, vesting option for 8th year

2) JD Martinez:  Boston 5y/$130mm, opt-out after 2019

3) Arrieta:  Washington, 5y/$115mm

4) Moustakas:  Yankees, 1y/$14mm

5) Lynn:  Batlimore, 3y/$57mm

6) Cobb:  Milwaukee, 4y/$65mm

7) Greg Holland:  St Louis, 2y/$25mm

 

By the way...is it safe to assume that now that the market has gone bearish, it shouldn't be as big a deal to give players opt-outs?   I mean, who is going to opt-out of a good contract to put themselves through what guys like Hosmer and Arrieta are going through this offseason?   Holland probably regrets not exercising his $15mm player option or taking the $17.4mm qualifying offer at this point (and I am skeptical of him getting what USAT says he will.   He had a 6.38 ERA in the 2nd half last year, and if the front offices are becoming more analytics-savvy as Can and others are saying, they probably won't be paying big bucks for saves anymore).

 

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, SteveA said:

For what it's worth, today's USA Today predicts where the top 7 remaining free agents will land:

 

 

I hadn't stayed at a hotel in a while, didn't know USA Today was still a thing.

[SteveA]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I hadn't stayed at a hotel in a while, didn't know USA Today was still a thing.

Well, here at work (DoD, classified environment), we have only our internal network on our desktops.   To get to the outside internet, there's a shared terminal in each cubicle.    That's why you don't see much from me during the day, and if you do it's usually either at lunch or late in the afternoon/evening like this when there aren't many people left.

So I like to have a newspaper or two to read with my lunch.   I still like to get ink on my hands, guess I'm old fashioned.   No fun doing the crossword and sodoku on a screen.   I subscribe to the Sun and occasionally will pick up a USAT at our newsstand for lunch as well.   It's still got decent sports.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, SteveA said:

Well, here at work (DoD, classified environment), we have only our internal network on our desktops.   To get to the outside internet, there's a shared terminal in each cubicle.    That's why you don't see much from me during the day, and if you do it's usually either at lunch or late in the afternoon/evening like this when there aren't many people left.

So I like to have a newspaper or two to read with my lunch.   I still like to get ink on my hands, guess I'm old fashioned.   No fun doing the crossword and sodoku on a screen.   I subscribe to the Sun and occasionally will pick up a USAT at our newsstand for lunch as well.   It's still got decent sports.

Man I miss the unclassified Early Bird.  I used to read it every morning when I had the 2300-0700 shift on the Maritime Watch floor.

The only time I was allowed on an unclassified terminal was when I was declassifying stuff.  IT would have had my hide if I "surfed" on it.