This is a joke

[Yardball85]

3 minutes ago, esmd said:

My guess is Ryan Flaherty wasn't exactly the highest priority.

 

3 minutes ago, Obando said:

This type of nonsense has been going on since the 90’s and is typical Angelos.  I think his problem is that he doesn’t trust anyone, and that is why moves that should be easy to make and get done in a timely fashion rarely do, because every potential deal has to come across his desk and get his stamp of approval.  Even seemingly minor ones like a 1 year deal for Flaherty or Goins.  The paperwork could sit on Angelos’ desk for weeks, because he still runs his law firm, which takes up most of his time.  And if you tell him there’s a deadline to respond, he’s even more likely to take his time because he won’t let anyone dictate the pace and terms to him.  His combination of stubbornness, distrust, and overanalysis is what makes him so difficult to deal with, especially in a business like baseball that requires a lot of quick decision making.

You would think by now, especially at his advanced age, he would trust his sons to make decisions on his behalf, knowing that he’s not capable or willing to respond in a timely fashion.  Or like most reasonable owners, he would set a budget and allow his GM/baseball people to work within that budget however they see fit, without ownership interference.  It’s one thing if it’s a major financial decision that could impact the budget for many years, such as a deal for Machado.  The owner should obviously be involved in a deal of that magnitude.  But otherwise, for your run of the mill type of contracts, there shouldn’t be any need for his involvement.

Unfortunately, until PA is out of the ownership picture, this ridiculousness is going to continue, because he’s too set in his ways to change.  Any success we have had recently has been in spite of PA, not because of anything he has done or changed since the 14 straight losing seasons.

It's not like he's a smart baseball man though. 

And when it comes to something as minor as Flaherty, that PA probably knows nothing about, he should keep his nose out of such affairs.  

I know it's only baseball, but I really and truly despise him.

[25 Nuggets]

9 minutes ago, Obando said:

This type of nonsense has been going on since the 90’s and is typical Angelos.  I think his problem is that he doesn’t trust anyone, and that is why moves that should be easy to make and get done in a timely fashion rarely do, because every potential deal has to come across his desk and get his stamp of approval.  Even seemingly minor ones like a 1 year deal for Flaherty or Goins.  The paperwork could sit on Angelos’ desk for weeks, because he still runs his law firm, which takes up most of his time.  And if you tell him there’s a deadline to respond, he’s even more likely to take his time because he won’t let anyone dictate the pace and terms to him.  His combination of stubbornness, distrust, and overanalysis is what makes him so difficult to deal with, especially in a business like baseball that requires a lot of quick decision making.

You would think by now, especially at his advanced age, he would trust his sons to make decisions on his behalf, knowing that he’s not capable or willing to respond in a timely fashion.  Or like most reasonable owners, he would set a budget and allow his GM/baseball people to work within that budget however they see fit, without ownership interference.  It’s one thing if it’s a major financial decision that could impact the budget for many years, such as a deal for Machado.  The owner should obviously be involved in a deal of that magnitude.  But otherwise, for your run of the mill type of contracts, there shouldn’t be any need for his involvement.

Unfortunately, until PA is out of the ownership picture, this ridiculousness is going to continue, because he’s too set in his ways to change.  Any success we have had recently has been in spite of PA, not because of anything he has done or changed since the 14 straight losing seasons.

If I recall correctly, it was one of his sons who flew with Dan to the Winter Meetings in December.  At the time, the buzz was the Orioles were going to be active, particularly on the Machado trade front.

Then, at some point, the narrative drastically changed.  I suspect old Peter is responsible for that.

[Finisher]

Angelos is a control freak who needs to feel like he's "won" or gotten a discount. He's willing to spend the money but it's going to be an arduous process and only happen with deferrals, incentives and whatever ticky tack nonsense he can lawyerly inject into the self-created rigmarole.

DD is counting the days.

[webbrick2010]

It's like people just found out that Angelos is the worst owner in professional sports and the O's are the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports

Welcome to year 2 of the xx year losing streak

[25 Nuggets]

15 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

It's like people just found out that Angelos is the worst owner in professional sports and the O's are the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports

Welcome to year 2 of the xx year losing streak

I still gotta say Loria was worse.  Dude was a criminal in all but name.

But it's not like saying "you're better than Jeffrey Loria" is a compliment.

 

[EDIT] Then there's Jimmy Haslam who IS an actual criminal.

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Eduardo Encina article today. Flaherty did not get club wide approval in time which is why he didn’t come back. He basically waited on the Orioles and time ran out. 

Ryan Goins and the Orioles had agreed to a major league deal but it did not get ownership approval in time and the deal fell apart. 

First off why in the world is the owner involved here. Can anybody do anything in this organization without his approval? Can toilet paper be ordered without him approving of it? 

If signing a utility player to a contract requires his approval can he take the time needed to get it done? How can anyone do their job? Lord knows how many opportunities are wasted waiting on the owners approval. We have heard these type of stories before but good grief. It is amazing we accomplished what we did from 2012-16. Looks more impressive everyday. 

 

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bs-sp-bs-orioles-flaherty-20180225-tstory.html

The more things that change the more they stay the same!

[24fps]

The sort of joke where the punch line hits you in the gut and makes you puke.

[Rockford]

2 hours ago, Obando said:

This type of nonsense has been going on since the 90’s and is typical Angelos.  I think his problem is that he doesn’t trust anyone, and that is why moves that should be easy to make and get done in a timely fashion rarely do, because every potential deal has to come across his desk and get his stamp of approval.  Even seemingly minor ones like a 1 year deal for Flaherty or Goins.  The paperwork could sit on Angelos’ desk for weeks, because he still runs his law firm, which takes up most of his time.  And if you tell him there’s a deadline to respond, he’s even more likely to take his time because he won’t let anyone dictate the pace and terms to him.  His combination of stubbornness, distrust, and overanalysis is what makes him so difficult to deal with, especially in a business like baseball that requires a lot of quick decision making.

You would think by now, especially at his advanced age, he would trust his sons to make decisions on his behalf, knowing that he’s not capable or willing to respond in a timely fashion.  Or like most reasonable owners, he would set a budget and allow his GM/baseball people to work within that budget however they see fit, without ownership interference.  It’s one thing if it’s a major financial decision that could impact the budget for many years, such as a deal for Machado.  The owner should obviously be involved in a deal of that magnitude.  But otherwise, for your run of the mill type of contracts, there shouldn’t be any need for his involvement.

Unfortunately, until PA is out of the ownership picture, this ridiculousness is going to continue, because he’s too set in his ways to change.  Any success we have had recently has been in spite of PA, not because of anything he has done or changed since the 14 straight losing seasons.

He is essentially picking the players. $161M is available, but only for Chris Davis. Imagine how Duquette could have used that money. Problem was, if that money wasn't going to Davis, it was going back in PA's pocket.

[Satyr3206]

I've been watching this for a while and I have a comment. I long for the 70's and 80's Front Office. So glad I haven't bought a ticket in years. Of course, I live in South Carolina.

[Going Underground]

Encino wrote something about this a few weeks ago.I said at the time is these are the players we know about.How many other players fell through the cracks?Who did the Orioles want and did not get besides the utility guy?

[Dipper9]

Angelos is a control freak.  Dan is slow and deliberate and seemingly cannot multi task. And Buck “likes our guys” and makes you truly believe that a Mike Wright could be a great picture.  Is there any wonder none of the big names come here? 

We are witnessing the end of a nice little playoff contending run during this decade, but until there is a change at the ownership level, nothing else really matters. 

[mdbdotcom]

The good news is that Flaherty and/or Goins should be available next month. Hope he's approved signing them by then.

[Bonecrusher52]

Orioles’ off-season decisions are leading to a team payroll reduction

"They aren’t spending money on free agents, nor are they signing young stars to long-term contracts while arbitration eligible. Add to that, they haven’t extended expiring contracts beyond 2018 for the manager, general manager or team captain.

So, what’s their plan? Maybe it’s not to add any additional payroll obligations beyond this year, which begs the obvious question … is Peter Angelos considering selling the team?"

[Ohfan67]

Another take: Angelos doesn’t trust the current leadership anymore. There’s a trend that Angelos inaction intensifies near the end of managements tenure. Maybe the Angelos’ are unhappy about the long term deals, etc, that they have approved. Angelos prefers to let contracts run out instead of firing people. DD, Buck, and maybe even Brady may be twisting in the wind. Just a thought. 

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Ohfan67 said:

Another take: Angelos doesn’t trust the current leadership anymore. There’s a trend that Angelos inaction intensifies near the end of managements tenure. Maybe the Angelos’ are unhappy about the long term deals, etc, that they have approved. Angelos prefers to let contracts run out instead of firing people. DD, Buck, and maybe even Brady may be twisting in the wind. Just a thought. 

I think Brady is the next GM as I don't think anyone else would take the job.