If Mussina wins 20, is he a shoe-in for the Hall?

[Pedro Cerrano]

That post you quoted was a perfect illustration where someone either didn't read, or only read what they wanted into one of my posts. I guarantee you I never anywhere at any time EVER stated that a 20 win season would automatically qualify a pitcher for the HOF or is the ONLY criteria that should be used to get in. It just amazes me sometimes how far some people try to go to prove someone wrong. Then you have someone else read only that blatently erroneous post and like you, fall prey to making such a statement as you have just made. Again, I never said it was the number one criteria but it most certainly is a common denominator that simply cannot be tossed aside to get Mike Mussina more qualified.

Dood, show me one thread that you have posted in more than 10 times where at least one board member didn't get all riled up. That's all I'm saying.

[Old#5fan]

Dood, show me one thread that you have posted in more than 10 times where at least one board member didn't get all riled up. That's all I'm saying.

There are a certain few who seem to get more riled up at some of my posts, not the majority of folks here. The negative rep. I get seems to be limited to one or two people. I get positive rep. from more folks than that, not that I really worry about it.

[Pedro Cerrano]

There are a certain few who seem to get more riled up at some of my posts, not the majority of folks here. The negative rep. I get seems to be limited to one or two people. I get positive rep. from more folks than that, not that I really worry about it.

So you don't think it's an issue that every thread you touch turns from diamonds to cubic zirconium?

[Old#5fan]

So you don't think it's an issue that every thread you touch turns from diamonds to cubic zirconium?

I don't think that is true. You are grossly exaggerating. I post on a lot of threads and you probably don't even realize it where there is nothing at all controversial. You just seem to be focusing on the controversial threads that are more subjective like Mussina/Palmer, Visquel/Aparicio and their qualifications for the HOF.

[DrungoHazewood]

I don't think that is true. You are grossly exaggerating. I post on a lot of threads and you probably don't even realize it where there is nothing at all controversial. You just seem to be focusing on the controversial threads that are more subjective like Mussina/Palmer, Visquel/Aparicio and their qualifications for the HOF.

You're right. Only a few select topics you weigh in on turn into 19-page maelstroms of chaos with almost all of the respected posters here barely able to type from a mixture of disbelief, anger, exasperation and frustration.

Those few, select topics include, but are not limited to:

- Baseball

- How to value baseball players

- The value of statistical analysis

- The value of anything that's evolved or advanced in baseball since 1933

- The Hall of Fame

- Defense

- Offense

- Bunting

- Baserunning

- Pitching

- Hayden Penn

- The Ravens

- Luis Hernandez

- Brandon Fahey

- Your eyes vs. every other type of scouting or analysis

- Oriole players

- Other players

- Mike Mussina

- Luis Aparicio

- Jim Palmer

- Park effects

- Offensive context

- The absolute, unassailable truth of your opinions

- All star selections

- The Godlike knowledge of those who have "played the game"

I'll admit that some topics you weigh in on that don't touch on those subjects manage to avoid extreme hate and discontent.

[RShack]

I've come to the conclusion that this guy, somehow, is breaking board rules. When literally EVERY thread he posts repeatedly on turns into a s***show, it doesn't pass the smell test.

That's both ridiculous and IMO unfair. He says whatever he says, he doesn't "break board rules", he just makes posts. Nothing wrong with that. If you had a dime for every time somebody posted something idiotic around here, you'd be a freakin' millionaire. So what? The so-called problem is that people stand in line to argue with him. Everybody thinks that they're gonna make some Good Point, and they're gonna say it Just Right, and then he's gonna suddenly see the light and agree with you. Well, guess what? He's not. So, wise up. If you don't wanna see umpteen-page threads of folks arguing with FakeCodgerDude, then just quit arguing with him. Jeez.

It's completely crazy for people top want the cops to save them from themselves. If you don't wanna be an idiot, then don't be an idiot. Why ask the cops to clamp down on the guy who's not breaking any laws, just to prevent you from arguing with him?

[Pedro Cerrano]

That's both ridiculous and IMO unfair. He says whatever he says, he doesn't "break board rules", he just makes posts. Nothing wrong with that. If you had a dime for every time somebody posted something idiotic around here, you'd be a freakin' millionaire. So what? The so-called problem is that people stand in line to argue with him. Everybody thinks that they're gonna make some Good Point, and they're gonna say it Just Right, and then he's gonna suddenly see the light and agree with you. Well, guess what? He's not. So, wise up. If you don't wanna see umpteen-page threads of folks arguing with FakeCodgerDude, then just quit arguing with him. Jeez.

It's completely crazy for people top want the cops to save them from themselves. If you don't wanna be an idiot, then don't be an idiot. Why ask the cops to clamp down on the guy who's not breaking any laws, just to prevent you from arguing with him?

Calm...down.

What I was getting at is that I would not be surprised in the least if his stances were mostly a product of the fact that he can get people riled up.

Maybe I lack sufficient information to come to that conclusion, but there's plenty of circumstantial evidence out there to back me up.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Calm...down.

What I was getting at is that I would not be surprised in the least if his stances were mostly a product of the fact that he can get people riled up.

Maybe I lack sufficient information to come to that conclusion, but there's plenty of circumstantial evidence out there to back me up.

Exactly, because that moves into trolling terratory.

[Old#5fan]

Dood, show me one thread that you have posted in more than 10 times where at least one board member didn't get all riled up. That's all I'm saying.

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66956

There you are. Not only did I post in it a lot, I orginated the thread, and received quite a few positive comments.

[RShack]

He really only has one challenge left. Can he get Frobby so frustrated that he can't resist engaging him repeatedly while mumbling profanities under his breath? If OldFan somehow manages to frustrate the top two posters on this board, guys who have an amazing amount of patience and grace, he should get some sort of special prize IMO.

He got Frobby on the edge but then, when Frobby did his persuasive politician thing, he gave an inch.

For a while.

Frobby thought he was getting somewhere, but he was smart enough to not push his luck, so there was a graceful disengagement.

Little ventured. Little gained. No bodies on the battlefield. Pretty much forgettable.