DSJ to 7 Day IL; Santander Up

[Redskins Rick]

23 minutes ago, Philip said:

Fair enough. That’s valid. What they ARE doing with him-or anyone else- as opposed to what we think they SHOULD do with him.

I personally think he’s a pretty versatile guy, and his D seems to be pretty good.

For this team, yes.

I like the guy, but I dont see him playing on a contender.

[Ohfan67]

On 6/7/2019 at 5:04 PM, Philip said:

It’s very sad. One of the greatest college professors I ever had was a man who could “not just Shakespeare, but any English author, by the mile. I loved Kipling as a child and memorized many of his poems, But this guy turned me onto obscurities like Southey, And he adored opera and could quote librettos start to finish.

You have probably never heard of Paul Crume, Who wrote for decades for the Dallas morning news before dying in 1975, but he was a brilliant writer and an even better thinker, and one of his posts was a lamentation about his high school Latin teacher.

He said he had loved her because she had taught that knowledge was only the beginning of wisdom, and even in the 1960s he was mourning the fact that that was no longer true.

he wrote many such thoughts, all powerful and all poignant.

Another powerful one was the fact that our culture is dying. We no longer value the good things That made our civilization great, and we no longer understand the bad things. We’re trading the greatness of the past for the Kardashian sisters, and we are losing.

If you have time to read, the book is called, “A Texan at Bay” And although there is a bit of fluff in it, it is well worth reading multiple times.

You guys sound 90 years old. I enjoy Shakespeare and some other long-dead English authors, but what in the world are you talking about when you say, "We no longer value the good things that made our civilization great"? Good grief guys. This is the Shakespeare version of "get off my lawn." Mourning the loss of Latin? "Greatness of the past..."? Check out the Tony Awards from last night. Check out recent Man Booker prize winners. Heck, check out Game of Thrones! That's about as Shakespearian as you can get in 2019. And for god's sake listen to some N.W.A. Poetry is alive and well, it just doesn't sound like English actors speaking Elizabethan era English. 

[Ohfan67]

Nevermind. Way, way off topic. 

[Philip]

34 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

You guys sound 90 years old. I enjoy Shakespeare and some other long-dead English authors, but what in the world are you talking about when you say, "We no longer value the good things that made our civilization great"? Good grief guys. This is the Shakespeare version of "get off my lawn." Mourning the loss of Latin? "Greatness of the past..."? Check out the Tony Awards from last night. Check out recent Man Booker prize winners. Heck, check out Game of Thrones! That's about as Shakespearian as you can get in 2019. And for god's sake listen to some N.W.A. Poetry is alive and well, it just doesn't sound like English actors speaking Elizabethan era English. 

The fact that you do not understand is one of the problems. But yes it is off-topic

[Ohfan67]

12 minutes ago, Philip said:

The fact that you do not understand is one of the problems. But yes it is off-topic

Ha! What a load of garbage. 

[Philip]

1 hour ago, Ohfan67 said:

Ha! What a load of garbage. 

 No, I’m serious. I knew you were going to respond with something like this, and I expected your arrogance. I’ve been thinking very seriously about this, not just regarding you, but regarding my grandparents and their parents, and I’ve often put myself in your place. I considered the comments my parents/grandparents made, and never responded with arrogance. The fact that you do is another problem of today.

Because you are not aware of what has been lost, you can’t comprehend the depth of that loss. That’s just a truism and is undeniable. Lots of examples.

Older people who are aware of what was, and what is, do comprehend both the change and the loss. You might consider spending some time thinking about that.

[Pheasants]

I suggest you read E. A. R's  Miniver Cheevy and then find Miniver Cheevy Jr by some parodist.  You can follow with The Decline of the West, written just after World War I.  Every generation for at least the last hundred years has proclaimed the coming death of civilization.  Someday it will come true, but when?

[Ohfan67]

Sorry Philip. I deleted a long,  bag-of-hot air response. I didn’t mean to sound disrespectful. You do your thing, I’ll do mine. We disagree and I’ll leave it at that. 

[sportsfan8703]

On 6/7/2019 at 6:39 PM, wildcard said:

I am not writing Santander off just yet.  He is 24.

You shouldn't.  He's shown some promise.  I'd rather have him on the roster than Rickard.  40 or 25.  

[weams]

On 6/7/2019 at 5:49 PM, LA2 said:

Haha, I considered it, but didn't want to go that far. There's no "objective correlative" (T.S. Eliot's term, i.e. no concrete basis for the metaphor, like Smith having eight gloves or eight positions he can play). I'm conservative that way, the way Eliot was, and has been vilified for (Villarized as erratic?) during the past few decades of poetics debate.

By the way, for literature fans out there, it's interesting that that type of supposedly anti-canonical/-imperialist prejudice has been thoroughly absorbed in universities here in Seoul. Even those who take a course on Shakespeare tell it to me with a glum and apologetic look on their faces, like "Oh, well, I've just got to study it because it's an important part of English literature." Certain English departments are cutting way back on coverage of literature, emphasizing instead business and tech English, sometimes adding instead more courses on movies and TV shows. Forgetting, I suppose, that probably the greatest directors of the two national cultures that have had the strongest post-19th-century influence on Korea (Japan, USA) were constantly inspired by great literature (Welles, Kurosawa).

Of course, the slow death of literature is a global phenomena. My department at a top-40 US university (I resigned in 2012) didn't even have a Shakespeare specialist after its previous one left a decade before.

Thank you for your insight. Always fascinating to hear your observations.