Trumbo rehab begins again 8/27/19

[atomic]

4 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

I heard Ryan Spilborghs one day discussing how hard the 162 game schedule and all the travel are. He said that playing a day game after a night game was an almost inhuman ask, and that late in his career he was able to hang on as the guy who would play the day game in place of someone too beat up to play after the game the night before.

The travel is probably hard but you dont have day game after night game after travel.  I think you guys are overestimating how hard it is.  Pretty easy travel for the Orioles as they are in middle of east coast.  They stay at hotels near the stadium on the road and they are sitting half the game. Probably a lot easier than being a cashier at Burger King.  Much less back breaking jobs like coal mining or trashcan. 

 

And compared to other team sports it is a piece of cake. Hockey players get hit every game.  Basketball players have to jump and land on wood floors. And of course football.

I am sure those bus rides in minors are hard but these guys have it pretty easy.

[ThomasTomasz]

23 minutes ago, atomic said:

The travel is probably hard but you dont have day game after night game after travel.  I think you guys are overestimating how hard it is.  Pretty easy travel for the Orioles as they are in middle of east coast.  They stay at hotels near the stadium on the road and they are sitting half the game. Probably a lot easier than being a cashier at Burger King.  Much less back breaking jobs like coal mining or trashcan. 

 

And compared to other team sports it is a piece of cake. Hockey players get hit every game.  Basketball players have to jump and land on wood floors. And of course football.

I am sure those bus rides in minors are hard but these guys have it pretty easy.

Yes you do, but it is rare.  The Orioles played a four game home series at the end of May, then went to Colorado for three games, came back early Monday morning and were at the park probably by 10 am for Memorial Day.  Most of the players said they got back home around 4 am-5am, only to turn around for a 1 pm game.  

Any team traveling to Wrigley for a weekend series has to be prepared to have a 7 pm Thursday game, travel and then play a 3 pm game at Wrigley due to the rules the Cubs have with the city.  

Also, they have this schedule to follow: 

2:30-3:30 pm: Report to stadium, early work if necessary 

4:30 pm-5:15 pm: Batting Practice 

6:30-6:45 pm: Pre-game warmups 

7:05 pm: first pitch 

10:05 pm: game over (hopefully it's a three hour game) 

11:30-ish: hopefully headed home 

Due to the adrenaline and the fact that you are working night, the player is probably staying up late at night after they get home, and then get up mid-morning.  If it's a travel day, they've got to pack.  If they have a PR appearance, they've got to do that. Some of the players are married and have kids, so they get up early and spend time with them. 

Some players do even earlier work- Dustin Hughes, our current bullpen catcher, was interviewed years ago for a story on his position while with the Reds, and sometimes he reports to the stadium at 12:30 pm to start his work day with players. 

These guys are not just doing this for 162 games.  Yes, they have an occasional day off, but sometimes play 22-24 straight when you factor in losing days off to rainouts (and most players still report during rainouts and do work such as long toss, fielding practice and/or batting practice in the cages.) . They are also doing this from the middle of February in spring training.  

The other sports you mention, yeah, there is a lot of impact that occurs.  But hockey and basketball rarely play back to back, and have plenty of days off versus days on during the season, including the playoffs.  In football, they usually have a day off and two "light" practices/walkthroughs each week.  None of this stuff is easy.  Baseball players are grinding from the middle of February to the start of October if they are a losing team, and it's done on a schedule that the normal person doesn't have to deal with, and sometimes insane travel demands. 

[atomic]

3 hours ago, ThomasTomasz said:

Yes you do, but it is rare.  The Orioles played a four game home series at the end of May, then went to Colorado for three games, came back early Monday morning and were at the park probably by 10 am for Memorial Day.  Most of the players said they got back home around 4 am-5am, only to turn around for a 1 pm game.  

Any team traveling to Wrigley for a weekend series has to be prepared to have a 7 pm Thursday game, travel and then play a 3 pm game at Wrigley due to the rules the Cubs have with the city.  

Also, they have this schedule to follow: 

2:30-3:30 pm: Report to stadium, early work if necessary 

4:30 pm-5:15 pm: Batting Practice 

6:30-6:45 pm: Pre-game warmups 

7:05 pm: first pitch 

10:05 pm: game over (hopefully it's a three hour game) 

11:30-ish: hopefully headed home 

Due to the adrenaline and the fact that you are working night, the player is probably staying up late at night after they get home, and then get up mid-morning.  If it's a travel day, they've got to pack.  If they have a PR appearance, they've got to do that. Some of the players are married and have kids, so they get up early and spend time with them. 

Some players do even earlier work- Dustin Hughes, our current bullpen catcher, was interviewed years ago for a story on his position while with the Reds, and sometimes he reports to the stadium at 12:30 pm to start his work day with players. 

These guys are not just doing this for 162 games.  Yes, they have an occasional day off, but sometimes play 22-24 straight when you factor in losing days off to rainouts (and most players still report during rainouts and do work such as long toss, fielding practice and/or batting practice in the cages.) . They are also doing this from the middle of February in spring training.  

The other sports you mention, yeah, there is a lot of impact that occurs.  But hockey and basketball rarely play back to back, and have plenty of days off versus days on during the season, including the playoffs.  In football, they usually have a day off and two "light" practices/walkthroughs each week.  None of this stuff is easy.  Baseball players are grinding from the middle of February to the start of October if they are a losing team, and it's done on a schedule that the normal person doesn't have to deal with, and sometimes insane travel demands. 

Grinding LOL.  Basketball and Hockey they play back to back games and they practice in between games. They also don’t play in the same city in back to back games and play a lot further apart.  Think about teams like Edmonton and Calgary travel and compare it to the Orioles and it won’t come close. I have played a lot of sports: Basketball, Soccer, Racquetball, Tennis, mountain biking, trail running, mountain climbing, baseball etc. Baseball requires next to no effort compared to any other sport I played,  unless you are a pitcher or a catcher.  In one basketball game you probably have more effort than a month of baseball games.  

And pitchers these day pitch 5 or 6 innings every fifth day.  

Have you ever played full court basketball.  I did until I was 52 it is high impact and constant running and jumping, I always had jammed fingers and thumbs,  To compare it to playing a game where you sit half the time and maybe make 4 plays a game and with players striking out so often there are even less plays.  And there are very out of shape pitchers.

 

The Orioles play in division so much it is mostly 2 hour flights or less and they aren’t flying coach. They have a charter team flight.  Even Chicago Cleveland KC, and Detroit are only couple of hours away.  They have one west coast trip or at most 2 a year. 

 

[atomic]

The Orioles traveled  27k miles last year. 18 NHL teams traveled more than 40k miles last year.  I took 3 flying vacations last year and traveled 18k miles.  Come one let’s be real here.

[jabba72]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

Grinding LOL.  Basketball and Hockey they play back to back games and they practice in between games. They also don’t play in the same city in back to back games and play a lot further apart.  Think about teams like Edmonton and Calgary travel and compare it to the Orioles and it won’t come close. I have played a lot of sports: Basketball, Soccer, Racquetball, Tennis, mountain biking, trail running, mountain climbing, baseball etc. Baseball requires next to no effort compared to any other sport I played,  unless you are a pitcher or a catcher.  In one basketball game you probably have more effort than a month of baseball games.  

And pitchers these day pitch 5 or 6 innings every fifth day.  

Have you ever played full court basketball.  I did until I was 52 it is high impact and constant running and jumping, I always had jammed fingers and thumbs,  To compare it to playing a game where you sit half the time and maybe make 4 plays a game and with players striking out so often there are even less plays.  And there are very out of shape pitchers.

 

The Orioles play in division so much it is mostly 2 hour flights or less and they aren’t flying coach. They have a charter team flight.  Even Chicago Cleveland KC, and Detroit are only couple of hours away.  They have one west coast trip or at most 2 a year. 

 

Sure, during the games there are only a handful of plays baserunning or chasing flyballs, where max effort is needed. They still have to be great athletes just to be in the majors. Hardy, Jones and Weiters all had to play through nagging injuries every season, that according to you shouldnt happen, because baseball isnt a physically demanding sport.  

[atomic]

53 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

Sure, during the games there are only a handful of plays baserunning or chasing flyballs, where max effort is needed. They still have to be great athletes just to be in the majors. Hardy, Jones and Weiters all had to play through nagging injuries every season, that according to you shouldnt happen, because baseball isnt a physically demanding sport.  

Catching is demanding physically.  I have no doubt Jones and Hardy are great athletes.  I don’t think it is demanding compared to other sports.  I am sure every player in the NBA has nagging injuries.  Repetitive motions are bad for your body.  I am sure Hardy took tons of ground balls in practice to get to the pinnacle of defensive players in the sport.  

[now]

20 hours ago, SteveA said:

That edict came from the warehouse.

The Orioles were 70-67 on the night Trumbo was the final pie victim.  They are 73-183 since.

Finally the record is straight and we can put the blame where we knew it belonged all along: on the warehouse. Thus ensued the inevitable self-destruct, the year-long crash and burn, and the long-awaited blowup. 

[weams]

14 hours ago, atomic said:

The travel is probably hard but you dont have day game after night game after travel.  I think you guys are overestimating how hard it is.  Pretty easy travel for the Orioles as they are in middle of east coast.  They stay at hotels near the stadium on the road and they are sitting half the game. Probably a lot easier than being a cashier at Burger King.  Much less back breaking jobs like coal mining or trashcan. 

 

And compared to other team sports it is a piece of cake. Hockey players get hit every game.  Basketball players have to jump and land on wood floors. And of course football.

I am sure those bus rides in minors are hard but these guys have it pretty easy. While injured. 

Let's coach all those fine folks you mentioned, including the athletes, to hit a 97 mph fastball and Chas Roe's slider. 

[weams]

7 hours ago, jabba72 said:

Sure, during the games there are only a handful of plays baserunning or chasing flyballs, where max effort is needed. They still have to be great athletes just to be in the majors. Hardy, Jones and Weiters all had to play through nagging injuries every season, that according to you shouldnt happen, because baseball isnt a physically demanding sport.  

They are almost all injured all the time. And the pitchers all break. 

[atomic]

1 minute ago, weams said:

Let's coach all those fine folks you mentioned, including the athletes, to hit a 97 mph fastball and Chas Roe's slider. 

That is silly can as i am sure most baseball players couldn’t skate well enough to play in the ECHL. We know they have fast reaction time but that doesn’t have anything to do with the physical demands of a season.  In the NHL they are trying to score goals with people running into them and shoving them down. 

[weams]

30 minutes ago, atomic said:

That is silly can as i am sure most baseball players couldn’t skate well enough to play in the ECHL. We know they have fast reaction time but that doesn’t have anything to do with the physical demands of a season.  In the NHL they are trying to score goals with people running into them and shoving them down. 

Yes it is silly. Gretzky gould not hit a curveball. Though he would easily have the required quickness in the field. Like Michael Jordan.

[atomic]

15 minutes ago, weams said:

Yes it is silly. Gretzky gould not hit a curveball. Though he would easily have the required quickness in the field. Like Michael Jordan.

I am.not sure what your point is. 99 percent of mlb play would be unable to do my job. Does that make me have a harder physical job? I think if you want to be at the top of most any profession it takes years of work plus genetically gifted for the field?

Maybe someone like Ovechkin could be a baseball star  I dont know.Danny Ainge failed at baseball and became a very good basketball player.

[weams]

Baseball is hard, physically challenging for the body, and played at the highest level by 800 humans at a time. 

[Moose Milligan]

On 6/15/2019 at 9:19 PM, atomic said:

The Orioles traveled  27k miles last year. 18 NHL teams traveled more than 40k miles last year.  I took 3 flying vacations last year and traveled 18k miles.  Come one let’s be real here.

It's not like the Orioles and NHL teams are sitting in coach.  Let's be real here.

[Tony-OH]

On 6/13/2019 at 10:49 AM, LookinUp said:

If he has developed a chronic injury that prevents him from playing baseball at a ML level again, I imagine the O's have some kind of insurance to offset a portion of costs. Since a trade isn't at all likely, that seems like the best case scenario for the O's at this point.

This is my guess as to what's going on. They have to pay him no matter what but if insurance can pick some of the cost up vs just releasing him, then why not?