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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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6 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

So we're really just talking about O'Day's salary since Gausman would have been traded either way. And you think the team is so strapped financially that they needed O'Day's $9M to cover everything you mentioned? The Orioles aren't a small market team, they're a mid-market team. They should have had the dollars to invest in everything you mentioned even with O'Day on the payroll. And a $100M payroll isn't what it used to be. It basically puts you in the bottom third in terms of payroll in this era.  

I wouldn't think they would have to sell draft picks to pay for Webb and Matusz but they did.

It certainly looks to me as if the vast majority of funds made available by ownership were going toward ML payroll.

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I really want one of Atlanta's 21 year old pitchers. I don't care what it takes. It's already looking like our pitching staff might be the thing that carry's us into our next playoff run. If we could add another 21 year old stud pitcher to go along with Gray Rod and DHall with the Bowie Boys filling in and the potential of a starter coming from next draft 1st round. We'd really be rolling.

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3 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

ERA by outing for Givens,

1P or less - 2.81 ERA

More than 1IP - 5.33 ERA

Hyde has rode him hard.

 

Givens also has a .926 opponents OPS in late and close situations this season. Opponents also have a line of .302/.394/.679 against him in one run and tie game situations. He's not a guy you want out there trying to get big outs in high leverage situations and I'm sure contending teams are aware of that.

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4 minutes ago, TINSTAAPP said:

Givens also has a .926 opponents OPS in late and close situations this season. Opponents also have a line of .302/.394/.679 against him in one run and tie game situations. He's not a guy you want out there trying to get big outs in high leverage situations and I'm sure contending teams are aware of that.

His value stinks right now and I kind of won't hear otherwise. The extra year of control is nice, but what is he if he's not a late inning reliever? He's just a guy. 

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Just because the team was not built to be competitive does not mean they are not trying to win each game.

They have been a bit better than I expected. I'm pleasantly surprised with the performance of some of the unknown players as well.

 

I don't think there's going to be a trade made that can greatly alter the rebuild though. That's the most disappointing aspect for me now.

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30 minutes ago, interloper said:

His value stinks right now and I kind of won't hear otherwise. The extra year of control is nice, but what is he if he's not a late inning reliever? He's just a guy. 

Givens value isn't going to be very good. Teams that are contending for the playoffs are going to view Givens as a guy who can start the 6th or 7th inning. But they aren't likely to view him as the guy to bring in when their two runners on base and only one out in the inning. There are a lot of pitchers who can handle low leverage situations and they aren't worth that much in a trade. 

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37 minutes ago, interloper said:

His value stinks right now and I kind of won't hear otherwise. The extra year of control is nice, but what is he if he's not a late inning reliever? He's just a guy. 

I think they'd be wise to try and package him.  I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but Mancini/Givens to Atlanta seems to make sense on a lot of levels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like that should be enough to at least get them to talk about including one of their 21 year old pitching prospects. Thoughts?

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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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3 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think they'd be wise to try and package him.  I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but Mancini/Givens to Atlanta seems to make sense on a lot of levels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like that should be enough to at least get them to talk about including one of their 21 year old pitching prospects. Thoughts?

I don't see the Braves.  I don't think they want him in the outfield and I don't think they would want to trade for someone whose cost will be inflated by extra years of team control that I don't think Atlanta covets.

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OsFanSinceThe80s Hangout Grand Counsel

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1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think they'd be wise to try and package him.  I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but Mancini/Givens to Atlanta seems to make sense on a lot of levels. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like that should be enough to at least get them to talk about including one of their 21 year old pitching prospects. Thoughts?

It is at least worth calling the Braves and see if they are willing to talk. There is only one top contender in the NL and that is the Dodgers. The Braves barring a collapse have a good chance at a playoff run this year. Acquiring Mancini with Markakis out would be a big help and Givens can add bullpen depth. 

The question is are the Braves ready to go all in on a run, and how badly to they want a pitcher like Givens who cannot be trusted in high leverage situations. 

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7 minutes ago, interloper said:

 

Texas is looking for controllable bats and is considering Mancini, meanwhile all I hear around here is that there's no way Mancini can be a part of the next good Orioles team and that he's too old or something.

And why would a smart, well run team like the Rays be considering him, too?  

 

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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Texas is looking for controllable bats and is considering Mancini, meanwhile all I hear around here is that there's no way Mancini can be a part of the next good Orioles team and that he's too old or something.

And why would a smart, well run team like the Rays be considering him, too?  

 

Ummm...because those teams are already good? Seems pretty obvious.

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3 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Texas is looking for controllable bats and is considering Mancini, meanwhile all I hear around here is that there's no way Mancini can be a part of the next good Orioles team and that he's too old or something.

And why would a smart, well run team like the Rays be considering him, too?  

 

Well, because they have a chance to win a World Series this year, basically, and he'd help out a lot with that. 

For the record I think Trey COULD be a part of the next good O's team (no one has ever qualified what "good" means, either). 

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