Will Andrew Cashner show up in the O's camp in the next week?

[interloper]

25 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's not about analytics.  It's about bringing in someone to hopefully give you 150 innings that aren't a total disaster.  That's it.  None of the others are any/much more likely to do that, and we know Cashner is a decent fit on the team, with coaches, players, etc.

Actually, most of the other pitchers don't fit that mold.  Someone like Buchholz is a little more likely to be better per inning, but it's been four years since he threw as many innings as Cashner has in each of the last four years.

I'm not advocating for signing Cashner.  But it's kind of irrelevant.  He'll cost a million or two over a AAA free agent.  I'll trust Elias to make the judgment call as to whether that money could be better spent elsewhere.  The downside is that there's about a 30%(?) chance Cashner is just as unpitchable as some guy they find on the waiver wire in late March.

Exactly. A Cashner signing would be about innings and nothing else. And that's fine! IMO, anyway. The team needs innings. I'm also fine with just rolling the dice on higher upside guys, too. 

[Aristotelian]

I thought they said they were making one more small signing and then they got Leblanc. I think he is our Cashner. We already caught lightning in a bottle with Cashner once, I doubt we get lucky twice. He hasn't been signed because he had a terrible second half and nobody wants him. 

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

I thought they said they were making one more small signing and then they got Leblanc. I think he is our Cashner. We already caught lightning in a bottle with Cashner once, I doubt we get lucky twice. He hasn't been signed because he had a terrible second half and nobody wants him. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/02/orioles-rumors-free-agent-starting-pitchers.html

[wildbillhiccup]

34 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Sounds like you have your mind set on hating Cashner.   I say go for it.  But he data does not support what you are saying IMO.

Or perhaps I have my mind set on hating bad pitchers that we already know are bad because we've seen him pitch first hand. And ALL of the underlying data supports what I'm saying. You haven't cited a single thing to contradict it other than an antiquated stat like era. 

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Just now, wildbillhiccup said:

Or perhaps I have my mind set on hating bad pitchers that we already know are bad because we've seen him pitch first hand. And ALL of the underlying data supports what I'm saying. You haven't cited a single thing to contradict it other than an antiquated stat like era. 

Wait until you see Wade LeBlanc!

[wildbillhiccup]

2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I thought they said they were making one more small signing and then they got Leblanc. I think he is our Cashner. We already caught lightning in a bottle with Cashner once, I doubt we get lucky twice. He hasn't been signed because he had a terrible second half and nobody wants him. 

Yep, but I get vilified for calling someone out for suggesting we give him $3M. If all they want is an innings eater then they should just sign someone else to a minor league deal. 

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1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Yep, but I get vilified for calling someone out for suggesting we give him $3M. If all they want is an innings eater then they should just sign someone else to a minor league deal. 

No one else on the market is really proven to be able to pitch bulk innings.

Look, the sooner you come to terms this is probably happening, the better. lol

[HowAboutThat]

35 minutes ago, interloper said:

Even Ubaldo seems to get a little more love around here. 

Not from me. Signing Jimenez was one of the dumbest and costliest decisions of the previous regime. I don’t mind bringing Cashner back but i understand those who prefer not, and I’ve often said I’d rather have McHugh anyway, if we’re going to bring in someone else.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

Wait until you see Wade LeBlanc!

He can't be any worse. At least his K per 9 rate is north of 7. He was also pretty good in 2018 and 2017. He had a higher era in 2017, but the underlining numbers point to him being very unlucky. 

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

No one else on the market is really proven to be able to pitch bulk innings.

Look, the sooner you come to terms this is probably happening, the better. lol

Then just use a collection of AAA arms and split the starts among them. 

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2 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Then just use a collection of AAA arms and split the starts among them. 

And I'm fine with that. I'm not really advocating for signing Cashner, I'm just saying I understand why they would. I just don't see it as anything to get this salty about. 

[DrungoHazewood]

10 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

All the underlying numbers point to all of those pitchers being better options than Cashner. And they've all carried a heavy IP burden in the past. I'm not sure why you're just pointing out 2019. Are we really better off with 200 almost guaranteed terrible innings from Cashner then someone else? Anyone else...

Strange as this feels, I agree with wildcard here.  You're suggesting pitchers who were broken for much of the past year or several years are a better fit.  They're arguably, nominally better if your main goal is flipping for a middling prospect in June, but worse if you're trying to get 150+ innings out of a starter.

[DrungoHazewood]

10 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

All the underlying numbers point to all of those pitchers being better options than Cashner. And they've all carried a heavy IP burden in the past. I'm not sure why you're just pointing out 2019. Are we really better off with 200 almost guaranteed terrible innings from Cashner then someone else? Anyone else...

Strange as this feels, I agree with wildcard here.  You're suggesting pitchers who were broken for much of the past year or several years are a better fit.  They're arguably, nominally better if your main goal is flipping for a middling prospect in June, but worse if you're trying to get 150+ innings out of a starter.

[wildbillhiccup]

Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

Strange as this feels, I agree with wildcard here.  You're suggesting pitchers who were broken for much of the past year or several years are a better fit.  They're arguably, nominally better if your main goal is flipping for a middling prospect in June, but worse if you're trying to get 150+ innings out of a starter.

...or get creative. We know they Dodgers are still trying to dump salaries and willing to part with Ross Stripling. Why not offer them something inconsequential for him? 

[wildbillhiccup]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Strange as this feels, I agree with wildcard here.  You're suggesting pitchers who were broken for much of the past year or several years are a better fit.  They're arguably, nominally better if your main goal is flipping for a middling prospect in June, but worse if you're trying to get 150+ innings out of a starter.

In other Cashner threads several have suggested that we might be able to flip Cashner again, if we resign him. It's like they all have collective amnesia in terms of how awful he was last season.