Orioles make an offer to Yasiel Puig. UPDATE: Puig to sign with Braves Tests POSITIVE for COVID 19

[Mr. Chewbacca Jr.]

On 7/13/2020 at 4:11 PM, Philip said:

It COULD. That is, the chances are greater than zero. But it’s extremely unlikely given his past, which is the past of a talented guy with issues. But consider this:  teams at the deadline who need a talented outfielder will have a plethora of choices. If I am the manager, the last person I want is someone who may decide at a random time, for a random reason, not to hustle. I want someone who always gives 100% of his 40%, and not someone who occasionally gives 40% of his hundred percent.

 

The eccentric mathematics in this post aside , I think the value placed on "hustle" players is really misplaced. You obviously want a player who is far more talented - and I think it is smart to take plays off sometimes because the human body can't go 100% all the time. I'd rather have 100% of a player's hamstring than 30% of it. 

LeBron has his "chill mode" during the season. People get on him about it, but then in the playoffs he's rested and ready. I think if anything, players who take a play off upset us more emotionally because we can't do that at our jobs and we get jealous. 

[backwardsk]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Chewbacca Jr. said:

The eccentric mathematics in this post aside , I think the value placed on "hustle" players is really misplaced. You obviously want a player who is far more talented - and I think it is smart to take plays off sometimes because the human body can't go 100% all the time. I'd rather have 100% of a player's hamstring than 30% of it. 

LeBron has his "chill mode" during the season. People get on him about it, but then in the playoffs he's rested and ready. I think if anything, players who take a play off upset us more emotionally because we can't do that at our jobs and we get jealous. 

Speak for yourself.  I put myself in my own load management process at work.  I tell the boss, he’ll need me rested if he wants to make a deep playoff run.  

[DrungoHazewood]

36 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

It’d be absurd to take those guys over an actual good player “with issues”, as Phillip was saying in his bizarre “100% of 40%” post. 

It depends on the issues.  I don't know if Puig's issues are nothing or something, but teams should most certainly take into account behavioral and other problems when considering signing someone.  I've been a manager and a supervisor for a decade, and I don't care what field you're in you will reach a point where high performing employees who require constant discipline and course corrections make the whole organization worse.  Obviously you don't shy away from a guy with a 1.000 OPS and GG defense and instead sign a journeyman because the all star is a little weird.  But you just might avoid Albert Belle and sign a guy who's just decent because the constant circus just isn't worth it and it will cost you in wins and losses.

[interloper]

16 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

How do we have plenty....they’ve been practicing with holes in the outfield. The guy would’ve been their best offensive player

Don't get me wrong, I would have been in favor of a Puig 1-year deal. But it wasn't like it was necessary.

Guys you can plug into a COF spot even before Santander was back in camp:

Wilkerson
Mullins
Velazquez
Mountcastle
Herrera
Stewart
Williams
McKenna
 

[Redskins Rick]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Chewbacca Jr. said:

The eccentric mathematics in this post aside , I think the value placed on "hustle" players is really misplaced. You obviously want a player who is far more talented - and I think it is smart to take plays off sometimes because the human body can't go 100% all the time. I'd rather have 100% of a player's hamstring than 30% of it. 

LeBron has his "chill mode" during the season. People get on him about it, but then in the playoffs he's rested and ready. I think if anything, players who take a play off upset us more emotionally because we can't do that at our jobs and we get jealous. 

Reggie used to never appear too much until the Fall.

[Redskins Rick]

21 minutes ago, interloper said:

Don't get me wrong, I would have been in favor of a Puig 1-year deal. But it wasn't like it was necessary.

Guys you can plug into a COF spot even before Santander was back in camp:

Wilkerson
Mullins
Velazquez
Mountcastle
Herrera
Stewart
Williams
McKenna
 

LOL I first read that as plugged into CF.

I need better glasses....lol

I saw Wilkerson and Mountcastle, I was like oh hell no.

 

[Redskins Rick]

19 hours ago, survivedc said:

I was for signing Puig but I think most people here would be for signing him to a 1 year deal if we were a contending team. The idea is that he will stunt someone’s development here (which I don’t buy) as he won’t be part of the next winning squad.

Hard to stunt development given the current makeup of guys in the system.  lol

 

 

[CarrRun49]

54 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It depends on the issues.  I don't know if Puig's issues are nothing or something, but teams should most certainly take into account behavioral and other problems when considering signing someone.  I've been a manager and a supervisor for a decade, and I don't care what field you're in you will reach a point where high performing employees who require constant discipline and course corrections make the whole organization worse.  Obviously you don't shy away from a guy with a 1.000 OPS and GG defense and instead sign a journeyman because the all star is a little weird.  But you just might avoid Albert Belle and sign a guy who's just decent because the constant circus just isn't worth it and it will cost you in wins and losses.

I think there is a saying out there, that you deal with the headache until the headache outweighs the production. Which could be never, take years, or in this case 60 games.

[Moose Milligan]

17 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Really? When was that? OBP and the Os being mostly part at it has been discussed most of the time I’ve been here. It was a reason I was pissed when they gave Villar away for dumpster fodder and passed on A Martin and drafted Kjerstad.

It picked up after Moneyball.

Randy Milligan was also an OBP machine.  He was a man ahead of his time.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It picked up after Moneyball.

Randy Milligan was also an OBP machine.  He was a man ahead of his time.

Earl knew.

Glenn Gulliver.

[DrungoHazewood]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Earl knew.

Glenn Gulliver.

Even Earl gave up on Glenn Gulliver.  Gulliver's family of players is extinct.  I think the last guy who did nothing but work the count for walks was Lance Blankenship.

[makoman]

17 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

I'd have no,problem putting Stevie Wilkerson in CF for 60 games. With Hays in RF, THAT WOULD LOOK PRETTY SOLID IN MY OPINION.

Hays should be in center for ~55+ games IMO. Between Santander, Mountcastle, and Stewart, I would prefer Wilkerson be a utility IF if on the team.

Edited July 15, 2020 by makoman

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Even Earl gave up on Glenn Gulliver.  Gulliver's family of players is extinct.  I think the last guy who did nothing but work the count for walks was Lance Blankenship.

Earl wasn't the manager in Glenn's final season.  I will say that a bunch of walks with a low BA and SLG average doesn't do a lot.  His exit velocities must have been just trash.

[Ruzious]

14 minutes ago, makoman said:

Hays should be in center for ~55+ games IMO. Between Santander, Mountcastle, and Stewart, I would prefer Wilkerson be a utility IF if on the team.

That was a very polite way of responding.  I really can't believe anyone would be even close to ok with Wilkerson being the every day CFer.  I love Wilkerson's hustle, but him playing every day in CF or any other position would not be acceptable, imo.

[DrungoHazewood]

23 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It picked up after Moneyball.

Randy Milligan was also an OBP machine.  He was a man ahead of his time.

.438 OBP in AAA at 26 and the Mets were like, yea, whatever.