Big announcement on the future of Orioles Hangout

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

Wow, this thread has turned into a great exercise on why political discussions should not be allowed in this forum. 

Sure, I agree and I'm backing out and I apologize for my part in escalating.  I think there could be a subforum here if people wanted to engage in political talk but it should certainly be kept out of the Orioles section.

 

[DirtyBird]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Well enlighten me on what the proper response should have been?  Does assaulting a store owner and reaching for a police officer's weapon warrant being shot to death?  This isn't even a political discussion, it's just about being a decent person.  

If only there were more decent thieving, store owner and police officer assaulting people like Michael Brown out there, this world would be a better place. 

[Jagwar]

11 hours ago, backwardsk said:

Except for purple people.  Because that’s going too far.  Shout out Mitch Hedberg.

"You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! Unless they're suffocating, then help 'em!"

[DrungoHazewood]

Unfortunately I'm starting to feel like this is going to be the last thread in the history of the Hangout.  Hopefully not, the board deserves better.

[weams]

17 minutes ago, makoman said:

While this thread has gone on for far too long IMO, on the plus side it's interesting to learn who some people are here. The typical moderation really covers up a lot of personalities.

I was leaving it up to Tony to stop it. I’ll close it at noon if I see no response from him. 

[Ruzious]

10 minutes ago, dorfmac said:

The white fragility and victimhood here is astounding. If OH goes down, so be it. If OH stays up, then even better.

But trying to play the victim of social efforts to improve our society is the ultimate "snowflake" move. This entire thread is an exercise of performative woe-is-me nonsense, especially the "my son is a cop" schtick. Policing is the mechanism by which the state is able to maintain and enforce the systemic racism that is in place. Any cop that can't look in the mirror and ask themselves what they can be doing to be better at their job for everyone doesn't have the integrity to wear the badge. Serving the community is looking outside of yourself and listening to others instead of assuming you're always in the right and know better. Meanwhile, we have federal law enforcement agents invading cities as a direct result of political motivations. It doesn't get more tone-deaf than trying to play cops as the victim with this occurring as the backdrop.

Sports have always been a vehicle for political action and discussion. If that's incompatible with someone's fandom, then maybe they sports isn't for them.

 

And I'm guessing in another post you'll be blaming "snowflakes" for the politicizing of sports. 

There are a million other sites that you can talk politics on.  This is the ONLY decent place I've seen to talk O's.  It serves a purpose now for us unfortunate O's fans - why intentionally mess it up?    

[DirtyBird]

BLM is definitely not a cop hating organization:

https://imgur.com/c3hpKWo

[HowAboutThat]

24 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

C'mon, get it together. 

If a guy grabs for your gun but doesn't actually *take your gun* that means he's still unarmed and YOU are armed.  That doesn't give you carte blanche to shoot him because he unsuccessfully took your gun.  

Well if a guy grabs for your gun you don’t know his intent, but because he has already assaulted someone, his intent is probably violent. If I can retreat, I will, because I don’t want to shoot anyone.
Your comment implies that the claim is correct. He had assaulted  someone, and grabbed for the gun of a police officer who was trying to arrest him, and was shot. Based on that, Without any other information, I’d have to say it was justified.

HOWEVER, I want to talk baseball. Please please let’s not continue with this. I’m very willing to discuss privately, but I really want baseball.

baseball is supposed to help us get away from things, not throw us back into the middle of them.

edit: it’s really important to stress a couple of things. First of all, you don’t know that the guy doesn’t have a gun. You don’t know he doesn’t have a knife or weapon of any kind. And just because you do doesn’t mean anything. One of the things we learned in the army was how to disarm guys with guns when we don’t have one.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Philip

[Orioles1954]

I have opinions on all of this, and in the end, no one will care. Not sure why the political wing of MLB is of such concern to the OP. The rigged financial landscape of the game and the product the Orioles have placed on the field for the majority of my 36 years as a fan is far more offensive. Expanding the playoffs to 16 games is a greater tipping point for this frustrated fan.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Sure, I agree and I'm backing out and I apologize for my part in escalating.  I think there could be a subforum here if people wanted to engage in political talk but it should certainly be kept out of the Orioles section.

 

I don’t think that should happen either.

Its not helpful.

Tony has correctly left social and political issues largely off the site.  I get that it happens on occasion but for the most part, you don’t see it here...that’s a good thing.

One thing I would say is that if you could somehow have an ignore feature for an entire section, so that you literally never see it, that could be something that I would get more behind but I still think it’s better to leave it off overall.

[DirtyBird]

17 minutes ago, dorfmac said:

The white fragility and victimhood here is astounding. If OH goes down, so be it. If OH stays up, then even better.

But trying to play the victim of social efforts to improve our society is the ultimate "snowflake" move.

 

I'm pretty sure it is the BLM movement marching the streets crying about being victims 

[Hazmat]

5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Well enlighten me on what the proper response should have been?  Does assaulting a store owner and reaching for a police officer's weapon warrant being shot to death?  This isn't even a political discussion, it's just about being a decent person.  

If you are reaching for and trying to pull a weapon away from a police officer, is it completely reasonable for the police office to assume that weapon will be used against the police officer.  I'm no expert on use of force, but generally speaking (and all incidents will differ slightly), that seems to me to be a reasonable response.  Now, we could debate the appropriate use of force all day long but where you went wrong was to claim that the poster you were responding to was happy that someone died.  A statement like that doesn't help your argument or the discussion and only inflames emotions.  

[murph]

Just my two cents, I come here to escape from most of what is in this thread and to enjoy discussion on my Orioles!  Baseball is my great escape and love what this board contributes to that part of my life.  I do so hope the board can continue as it is.  If not, thanks @Tony-OH for many great years!

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t think that should happen either.

Its not helpful.

Tony has correctly left social and political issues largely off the site.  I get that it happens on occasion but for the most part, you don’t see it here...that’s a good thing.

One thing I would say is that if you could somehow have an ignore feature for an entire section, so that you literally never see it, that could be something that I would get more behind but I still think it’s better to leave it off overall.

Disagree.  How else do you learn if your viewpoints on life are strong if they're not challenged? 

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Disagree.  How else do you learn if your viewpoints on life are strong if they're not challenged? 

That’s fine..but do you need to discuss those viewpoints here?

There are tons of political forums out there that you can do that on.