Free Agent Shortstops

[Goop]

Alcides Escobar is the prospect, and yes, they will be looking to move Hardy.

My guess is one of Tillman or Arrieta would be where we would need to start.

I'm not willing to do that.

Escobar..that was the name!

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd give up either of those 2 either. I was thinking Huff, but not really sure if they need him or not.

[YardBirds13]

Fantasy baseball as I use it refers the magical world were trades are made that help the O's and make SG look smart, without giving consideration to the other teams needs or options. In the messy world of real baseball the trade partner may actually have better options to the trade that helps the O's. Case in point the LAAA. They may just as well decide to show Tex the money and thus have no need for Huff or barring that horrifying eventuality, trade something they have a surplus of, say SP, for a 1B like Fielder.

In that case, they wouldn't want Huff. Until that happens, it isn't fantasy at all to think they would be interested in him.

Sounds to me like you just have beef with SG, and it makes you come across condescending as hell, which is ironic, because I'm sure that's your claim against SG.

[YardBirds13]

Escobar..that was the name!

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd give up either of those 2 either. I was thinking Huff, but not really sure if they need him or not.

Don't think the Brewers have a need for Huff. They still have Fielder at first. Even if they decide to move Fielder, they may wind up moving other stud prospect Mat Gamel to first.

Can't see anyone considering Huff as an everyday third baseman (although I don't think he'd be as bad as many others).

[El Gordo]

Alcides Escobar is the prospect, and yes, they will be looking to move Hardy.

My guess is one of Tillman or Arrieta would be where we would need to start.

I'm not willing to do that.

My guess is you start with Guthrie and add one of Tillman and Arietta.

[YardBirds13]

My guess is you start with Guthrie and add one of Tillman and Arietta.

Could be true.

Even more reason not to go after Hardy.

[McNulty]

Alcides Escobar is the prospect, and yes, they will be looking to move Hardy.

My guess is one of Tillman or Arrieta would be where we would need to start.

I'm not willing to do that.

I'll bet they move Hardy to third instead of trading him. They're barely playing Bill Hall as is, so I'm sure they'd continue using him as an overpaid bench player.

Of course, if they don't resign Durham and decide Weeks is a lost cause (or move him to CF if they don't want to bring Cameron back) they'll need Escobar for second.

Lot of strands in the ol' duders head there in Milwaukee.

[YardBirds13]

I'll bet they move Hardy to third instead of trading him. They're barely playing Bill Hall as is, so I'm sure they'd continue using him as an overpaid bench player.

Of course, if they don't resign Durham and decide Weeks is a lost cause (or move him to CF if they don't want to bring Cameron back) they'll need Escobar for second.

Lot of strands in the ol' duders head there in Milwaukee.

Hmm. Good point, I hadn't thought about Hardy to third or Escobar to second.

Basically, we shouldn't be going after Hardy because the Brewers are going to want a huge load of pitching, and we can't be giving that up.

[El Gordo]

Hmm. Good point, I hadn't thought about Hardy to third or Escobar to second.

Basically, we shouldn't be going after Hardy because the Brewers are going to want a huge load of pitching, and we can't be giving that up.

So where are you getting your SS and who are you trading for him?

[YardBirds13]

So where are you getting your SS and who are you trading for him?

When did I ever say that I wanted to get Hardy?

I want a guy who is young and is close to ML ready, not necessarily in the big leagues yet. A guy LIKE Ivan DeJesus from LA, a guy LIKE Jason Donald from Philly.

There are quite a few guys like that around, and guys who are not as highly thought of as those two as well.

I think that looking for guys like that is a much better idea than just throwing 30 million dollars at Orlando Cabrera? Do you not agree?

[El Gordo]

In that case, they wouldn't want Huff. Until that happens, it isn't fantasy at all to think they would be interested in him.

Sounds to me like you just have beef with SG, and it makes you come across condescending as hell, which is ironic, because I'm sure that's your claim against SG.

I realize that futility of arguing with one of SG's myrmidons is just a little less than that of arguing with Oldfan, but my point is, when considering a trade, you have to take into account the other team's needs and options in order to see if it is a likely fit. Anything is possible, but in the case of a Huff for Wood trade LAAA's other options seem to make more sense to me.

[YardBirds13]

I realize that futility of arguing with one of SG's myrmidons is just a little less than that of arguing with Oldfan, but my point is, when considering a trade, you have to take into account the other team's needs and options in order to see if it is a likely fit. Anything is possible, but in the case of a Huff for Wood trade LAAA's other options seem to make more sense to me.

Well, duh.

Who says no one takes that into account? Nobody is offering up anything without explaining why it makes sense. If they do, they get called out. Nobody is coming up with trades like Mora to the Rays or Ramon to the Dodgers, ones that would make no sense.

And you saying I'm harder to argue with than Oldfan is a slap in my face, and one that I take exception to.

[McNulty]

Watching the Sox/Twins game makes me wish we'd gone after Alexei Ramirez. I haven't heard anything about Cuban/Japanese possibilities for SS....anyone know of any?

[Camden_yardbird]

Watching the Sox/Twins game makes me wish we'd gone after Alexei Ramirez. I haven't heard anything about Cuban/Japanese possibilities for SS....anyone know of any?

Tomohiro Nioka (SS, Yomiuri Giants): I’m not sure if Nioka will rack up the service time he needs to move internationally by the end of the season. He’s gotten some negative publicity over his extra-marital flirtation with a TV newscaster this season, so the Giants may be ready to move on from him.

Source: http://www.npbtracker.com/2009-npb-free-agents/

Thats it. If he is even available.

Year Team Games PA AB Runs Hits 2B 3B HR TB RBIs GWRBIs SB CS SacH SacF BB (IBB) HBP K DP LOB Avg Slg OBP RiSP Rank Err   1999  YOM 126 462 418 49 121 14 0 18 189 51 - 8 2 6 3 33 (-) 2 92 7 - .289 .452 .342 - 23 9   2000  YOM 119 335 298 35 79 10 0 10 119 32 - 9 5 9 1 23 (-) 4 57 5 - .265 .399 .325 - - 7   2001  YOM 86 265 240 35 56 9 1 5 82 23 - 10 4 10 0 13 (-) 2 44 1 - .233 .342 .278 - - 7   2002  YOM 112 444 398 64 112 21 1 24 207 67 - 3 2 16 1 27 (0) 2 79 7 77 .281 .520 .329 .329 18 5   2003  YOM 140 624 573 88 172 18 1 29 279 67 - 14 8 14 3 31 (2) 3 92 12 100 .300 .487 .338 .359 12 12   2004  YOM 91 360 327 27 88 10 0 9 125 49 - 0 0 1 1 25 (2) 6 72 7 75 .269 .382 .331 .310 - 7   2005  YOM 139 593 539 64 162 25 0 16 235 58 - 3 0 5 3 37 (1) 9 79 13 119 .301 .436 .354 .269 14 12   2006  YOM 146 598 551 67 159 26 0 25 260 79 - 0 1 6 5 30 (1) 6 113 15 111 .289 .472 .329 .360 - 8   2007  YOM 139 562 508 68 150 22 0 20 232 83 - 1 2 10 3 34 (2) 7 91 15 - .295 .457 .346 .370 - - Totals: 1098 4243 3852 497 1099 155 3 156 1728 509 0 48 24 77 20 253 (8) 41 719 82 482 .285 .449 .334  - - 67 

[Sports Guy]

Well, duh.

Who says no one takes that into account? Nobody is offering up anything without explaining why it makes sense. If they do, they get called out. Nobody is coming up with trades like Mora to the Rays or Ramon to the Dodgers, ones that would make no sense.

Yea really...It is obvious that people take into account the other teams needs...Again, this is El Gordo just not being knowledgable enough to understand that. Nothing wrong with that but no need to ridicule those who do understand the needs of other teams.

[bigbird]

I'd rather trade for Peralta than sign anyone on the free agent market.