The second guessing Hyde thread.

[Gurgi]

1 minute ago, Spy Fox said:

I think one of the most important parts of the culture here is that people are expected / encouraged to back up their arguments.

Possibly you expect too much of fanatics who just saw a crushing loss.   Sometimes our first thought after a painful defeat is not "oh its a long season.....things will work out" .  Sometimes its "hell our manager sucks.  Or Perez sucks"  

[Ohfan67]

3 minutes ago, KillerTofu said:

I would be too if I had Brandon Hyde’s junk in my mouth.

What a series of idiotic posts. 

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

Oh jeez your not going to do your usual stuff now are you?  You didnt play well with others in elementary school did you?   

What usual stuff is that?  Being surprised that people feel the need to vent and say the dumbest stuff after their team lost a baseball game?

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

I think one of the most important parts of the culture here is that people are expected / encouraged to back up their arguments.

My basic point is the decision not to use Cano was made prior to the game. 
 

Then because a situation he would normally have been used in he doesn’t pitch people rip the managers strategy. The decision was already made. If Grayson pitches well Thursday he is available. 

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Gurgi said:

Possibly you expect too much of fanatics who just saw a crushing loss.   Sometimes our first thought after a painful defeat is not "oh its a long season.....things will work out" .  Sometimes its "hell our manager sucks.  Or Perez sucks"  

I thought the game threads were for that?

[Ohfan67]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

What usual stuff is that?  Being surprised that people feel the need to vent and say the dumbest stuff after their team lost a baseball game?

Some fans vent about the Orioles signing Frazier or the Orioles keeping players in the minors. Over and over and over.

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

My basic point is the decision not to use Cano was made prior to the game. 
 

Then because a situation he would normally have been used in he doesn’t pitch people rip the managers strategy. The decision was already made. If Grayson pitches well Thursday he is available. 

Forget Cano. Our new “stud” reliever (you know the one everyone is putting on a pedestal despite years of saying he’s not good) failed. He came in and threw an awful pitch. He has been fantastic up until his last 2 outings but he failed.

It happens.  Perez had failed all year and he was almost a huge reason they won.

Thats baseball. It happens. Trying to find someone to blame while using irrational and ignorant thoughts to do it is absurd.

[Gurgi]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

What usual stuff is that?  Being surprised that people feel the need to vent and say the dumbest stuff after their team lost a baseball game?

You seem to think the only thing this board is for is discussing imaginary trades.  Its really more of a community.  That are helping each other by venting anger and upset at a loss and when we win mutual gloating and joy.  

 

[Aristotelian]

9 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

Possibly you expect too much of fanatics who just saw a crushing loss.   Sometimes our first thought after a painful defeat is not "oh its a long season.....things will work out" .  Sometimes its "hell our manager sucks.  Or Perez sucks"  

I don't get why the first instinct is to always blame the manager. If that is the case, perhaps sleep on it and wait til the next day to post with a clear head.

[eddie83]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

Forget Cano. Our new “stud” reliever (you know the one everyone is putting on a pedestal despite years of saying he’s not good) failed. He came in and threw an awful pitch. He has been fantastic up until his last 2 outings but he failed.

It happens.  Perez had failed all year and he was almost a huge reason they won.

Thats baseball. It happens. Trying to find someone to blame while using irrational and ignorant thoughts to do it is absurd.

Sure it happens. 
 

I’m just saying concerning Cano it wasn’t an in game strategy not to use him it was decided before the game. Baumann went 25 pitches yesterday. I bet he was down. That left 6 arms. Akin and Voth went last night and were probably extra inning options.  
 

That left 4 arms. If they get to the 9th up then we see the 4th arm in Felix. Coulombe, Baker and Perez were used. 
 

Orioles had to get 5.1 IP from pen Thursday in a game with a 8-1 lead and when they scored 13 runs. Plus used high leverage arms. There is a cost to that. 

[Gurgi]

1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't get why the first instinct is to always blame the manager. If that is the case, perhaps sleep on it and wait til the next day to post with a clear head.

Probably because the Orioles dont have a long deep well of good will built up in the fan base.  We have not been very good for 40 years.  There isnt going to be a long history of good decisions for the fans to remember.  Its 35 years of bad baseball and 5 good years in the last 40.   If this was Saint Louis or Atlanta or the Dodgers you could expect calm.  The Orioles not so much.   

[Aristotelian]

15 minutes ago, Gurgi said:

Probably because the Orioles dont have a long deep well of good will built up in the fan base.  We have not been very good for 40 years.  There isnt going to be a long history of good decisions for the fans to remember.  Its 35 years of bad baseball and 5 good years in the last 40.   If this was Saint Louis or Atlanta or the Dodgers you could expect calm.  The Orioles not so much.   

Hyde is not the Orioles. Hyde has done a fine job. He is outperforming our projections for a second straight year. 

[OriolesMagic83]

43 minutes ago, KillerTofu said:

I would be too if I had Brandon Hyde’s junk in my mouth.

Stay classy

[OriolesMagic83]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Who knows what happens if Cano and Bautista pitch the 8th and 9th.  Maybe we still lose.  One or both were unavailable. I'm guessing Cano.  Coulombe, Baker, and Baumann haven't been quite as sharp lately.   Atlanta is fielding an all-star at at least 5 positions. We just faced their best two starters. Sometimes you have to hand it to the other team.

That is really what the O's were facing.  I'll take a split in those 2 games any day.  The problem is the O's need better pitchers.  Hyde is only able to use pitchers he has available.  It would be nice if he had even a #3 type starter who could frequently go into the 6th inning, but he has a bunch of up and down starters who frequently can't go thru 5 or even 4 innings.  I would say the lack of quality pitchers is on Elias and Angelos. 

[kaj21206]

Maybe Hyde wants Cano & Bautista rested for the Rays next week.  He may value those games more.  I wouldn't be surprised if Adley has his first full day off tomorrow as we have the 3rd catcher.  If we had played an AL East team tonight, Cano probably pitches the 8th.