Will we soon be better than the Nats?

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

Scherzer >>> Gausman (2018 version).  I take your point about salary relief being more important to the Orioles, but these are two all-stars the Dodgers just acquired.   I’d expect nothing less in terms of the quality of prospects acquired.  Scherzer’s a guy who could win you a couple of World Series games.  

Sure, I wouldn't expect the same return.

I just think you need to factor in ownership mandating a decrease in payroll when judging the O's prospect haul. 

BTW the O's are paying O'Day through 2023.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Sure, I wouldn't expect the same return.

I just think you need to factor in ownership mandating a decrease in payroll when judging the O's prospect haul. 

BTW the O's are paying O'Day through 2023.

The money is already escrowed.  But I recall the Braves picked up some of that (to your point about payroll decrease mandates).   

 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

The money is already escrowed.  But I recall the Braves picked up some of that (to your point about payroll decrease mandates).   

 

Could be, I was just looking it up and the site I was using looked like it was on the O's for the 2021-2023 deferred money.  But maybe I misinterpreted what I was looking at.

[backwardsk]

After the trades, the Nationals have added 10 players to their top 30.  They’ve gone from the worst farm system to a middle of the road one in  24-48 hours.

[SteveA]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

He’s a contemporary of Markakis and very much from the same mold — a quiet, soft spoken guy who never drew attention to himself but was a very good player.   And he has had a serious knack for hitting walk-off homers — 11 of them, in fact.   That’s pretty amazing.   For comparison’s sake, Albert Pujols has 12, David Ortiz had 11, Alex Rodriguez had 9, Miggy Cabrera has 7.    

Yeah, I'd almost like the guy if he wasn't a Wahoo 

[Frobby]

8 hours ago, backwardsk said:

After the trades, the Nationals have added 10 players to their top 30.  They’ve gone from the worst farm system to a middle of the road one in  24-48 hours.

On the other hand, their major league team has gone from mediocre to very bad.  And, they pretty much emptied their team of tradeable assets, with Soto being the obvious exception.   It’s going to be interesting to see which direction Rizzo goes this offseason.   I doubt he’ll be in teardown mode, with Soto to build around.   

[Just Regular]

The Board reflecting WAS up to 23rd this morning, as we draw ever nearer to the TBR -$180M for Wander (124 PA today) graduation, and possible start to debate of "best farm" in MLB for this offseason.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2021-in-season-prospect-list/farm-ranking?sort=-1,1&type=100&filter=&pos=&team=

Reliever trades wise, I didn't see Alex Scherff in either FG's BOS or MIN lists this morning - as a 1-for-1 for Hansel Robles, he seemed to me as good as a proxy might have gotten yesterday as a valuation point for anyone Sulser/Tate/Fry/Scott-ish.

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

On the other hand, their major league team has gone from mediocre to very bad.  And, they pretty much emptied their team of tradeable assets, with Soto being the obvious exception.   It’s going to be interesting to see which direction Rizzo goes this offseason.   I doubt he’ll be in teardown mode, with Soto to build around.   

Lol. They won a championship in 2019, the Os roughly 40 years prior to that but your concern is with the Nationals? Hilarious. Os fans never grounded in reality. They just rebuilt with a few trades and likely are around 15th or so. Plus their first rounder in 2020… at like 20? I think?…. Cade Cavelli is tearing it up. We took Kjerstad that year….I know, I know….nobody could have predicted that…

 

This board just makes excuses for ineptitude and poor management like I have never seen anywhere else. “You can’t judge this draft for 4-5 years…Yada yada”. “Nobody knew Yaz would be a star” says the org with a GM from a scouting background….

 

At some point Bro, it’s not her, it’s you. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Lol. They won a championship in 2019, the Os roughly 40 years prior to that but your concern is with the Nationals? Hilarious. Os fans never grounded in reality. They just rebuilt with a few trades and likely are around 15th or so. Plus their first rounder in 2020… at like 20? I think?…. Cade Cavelli is tearing it up. We took Kjerstad that year….I know, I know….nobody could have predicted that…

 

This board just makes excuses for ineptitude and poor management like I have never seen anywhere else. “You can’t judge this draft for 4-5 years…Yada yada”. “Nobody knew Yaz would be a star” says the org with a GM from a scouting background….

 

At some point Bro, it’s not her, it’s you. 

I do agree that Oriole fans, in general, are a bit too happy when things go poorly for their rivals instead of being worried about their own team.  I swear some folks would sign up for five seasons of 100 loses if it meant the Yanks missed the playoffs once.

[OriolesMagic83]

No, but the Nats might be worse soon.

[Just Regular]

49 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I do agree that Oriole fans, in general, are a bit too happy when things go poorly for their rivals instead of being worried about their own team.  I swear some folks would sign up for five seasons of 100 loses if it meant the Yanks missed the playoffs once.

I am actively contemplating 9 weeks of rooting for the Yankees in hopes of seeing Gerrit Cole make like starts 35-40 this October.

[bobmc]

27 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

I am actively contemplating 9 weeks of rooting for the Yankees in hopes of seeing Gerrit Cole make like starts 35-40 this October.

C'mon mannnnnnnnnnn!  Nothing can make one root for the Yankees!

[bobmc]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I do agree that Oriole fans, in general, are a bit too happy when things go poorly for their rivals instead of being worried about their own team.  I swear some folks would sign up for five seasons of 100 loses if it meant the Yanks missed the playoffs five times.

FTFY.  I'm down for that - anyone else with me?  .  I can live with playoffs in 2026 except for the aging part (at 83 am I senescent or just marginally so)?

[Getz]

I feel like there are a lot of people in the OH that enjoy more seeing the Yankees and Red Sox lose than watching the Orioles win. I seriously don't get it, they don't even consider us a rival team. I just root for the Orioles and I couldn't care less for the Yankees and the Sox.

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Lol. They won a championship in 2019, the Os roughly 40 years prior to that but your concern is with the Nationals? Hilarious. Os fans never grounded in reality. They just rebuilt with a few trades and likely are around 15th or so. Plus their first rounder in 2020… at like 20? I think?…. Cade Cavelli is tearing it up. We took Kjerstad that year….I know, I know….nobody could have predicted that…

 

This board just makes excuses for ineptitude and poor management like I have never seen anywhere else. “You can’t judge this draft for 4-5 years…Yada yada”. “Nobody knew Yaz would be a star” says the org with a GM from a scouting background….

 

At some point Bro, it’s not her, it’s you. 

What the F is your problem?  I’m perfectly aware of the Orioles problems. Nobody could read my posts and think I don’t know that the O’s have been a terrible team the last four years and still have a ways to go to be competitive.  

You can’t judge a draft for 4-5 years.  I’m not talking about the Orioles draft this year. I’m talking about any team’s draft in any year.   Let’s take the 2018 draft.  Only 15 players drafted in the 1st/1st supplemental have reached the majors yet, none of whom have accumulated more than 2.5 rWAR.   Drop to the 2nd round, three guys have reached the majors.   But we know from past experience that eventually, probably 64-75% of the first rounders will reach the majors and 35-50% of the second rounders will.   So tell me, who won the 2018 draft?

I’m sick of your condescending, know it all attitude.   Go to Omniscience Hangout and you can knowingly discuss baseball with higher beings like yourself.