Santander in August

[Ruzious]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I doubt Santander is here in 2024. Might be gone by 2022.

Interesting you do not have Hays who has higher WAR this year, plays better defense, and is not arb eligible until 2023. Don't forget Stowers and Mayo. Possibly also Neustrom, Mundy, Haskin, Watson. Bottom line, Santander is one of the more expendable players we have that has any value. Would Tampa keep him? I don't think so.  

Unfortunately, Santander's trade value is likely going to be limited until/if he puts together a full healthy season with good stats.  

[Flash- bd]

I would certainly try to get a full season of him healthy before I let go of him. There's definitely potential for that to look like something nice. He's struggled greatly with injuries and it's a reasonable suggestion that it's affected his performance, yet still has a decent OPS. I'd certainly like to see what he looks like a full season healthy. 

[sportsfan8703]

I’d hang onto Santander and let him be the spend a lot of DH’ing next year before Adley gets called up. I’d give McKenna full time ABs in the OF. Hopefully, this will keep Santander fresh and then we can deal him next trade deadline with Stowers in the wings at AAA. 

[Il BuonO]

50 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I’d hang onto Santander and let him be the spend a lot of DH’ing next year before Adley gets called up. I’d give McKenna full time ABs in the OF. Hopefully, this will keep Santander fresh and then we can deal him next trade deadline with Stowers in the wings at AAA. 

So, you’re sitting Mancini or Mountcastle?

[sportsfan8703]

4 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

So, you’re sitting Mancini or Mountcastle?

Mancini is a must trade because of AR needing those 1B/DH ABs. 

[Il BuonO]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Mancini is a must trade because of AR needing those 1B/DH ABs. 

And if there are no suitors?

[Frobby]

11 hours ago, webbrick2010 said:

Don't give up on Santander

I believe he will be a late bloomer with 40 Hr seasons in his future, much like Jose Bautista

Please keep him around O's

I think it’s reasonable to believe that Santander’s rough first half was largely due to lingering injuries.   That’s not necessarily a comfort, since he seems to get a lot of lingering injuries.  It’ll be interesting to see how he finishes 2021.  

[Pickles]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Mancini is a must trade because of AR needing those 1B/DH ABs. 

This is something I hadn't thought of too much.

There's some truth here, but I wonder how much.

How many games do you want AR to get at 1/DH?  If he's the catcher they say he is, I don't think it's that many.

There were roster construction hypothesis similar when Wieters was coming up, about how we'd need to accommodate him ABs at DH.  But that never really matieralized.

You just catch him 130-140 games, and give him a day off once a week.  Not a lot of time left to worry about.

[Frobby]

21 hours ago, Pickles said:

This is something I hadn't thought of too much.

There's some truth here, but I wonder how much.

How many games do you want AR to get at 1/DH?  If he's the catcher they say he is, I don't think it's that many.

There were roster construction hypothesis similar when Wieters was coming up, about how we'd need to accommodate him ABs at DH.  But that never really matieralized.

You just catch him 130-140 games, and give him a day off once a week.  Not a lot of time left to worry about.

I think at first they won’t want his C workload to be that heavy.   By the way, this year he’s hit considerably better when not catching.   

I still don’t consider this much of a factor with regard to what they do with Mancini.  
 

[Pickles]

15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think at first they won’t want his C workload to be that heavy.   By the way, this year he’s hit considerably better when not catching.   

I still don’t consider this much of a factor with regard to what they do with Mancini.  
 

I think you might be right.  His high workloads may well have contributed to Wieters' untimely injury and fairly precipitous decline.

I'm not surprised he hits better when he's not catching.  I bet that would be true for virtually everyone, over a big enough sample.

Catching is hard.  It sucks.  It's physically demanding in a way no other position is.  It gets you hurt and undoubtedly saps your athleticism.  

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

3 hours ago, Pickles said:

I think you might be right.  His high workloads may well have contributed to Wieters' untimely injury and fairly precipitous decline.

I'm not surprised he hits better when he's not catching.  I bet that would be true for virtually everyone, over a big enough sample.

Catching is hard.  It sucks.  It's physically demanding in a way no other position is.  It gets you hurt and undoubtedly saps your athleticism.  

Wieters is also really tall for a catcher at 6'5". I think having a long frame like him, it's harder on the body to crouch 9 innings a game. Having a more compact body would seem to help a catcher, but whatever the case a catcher is going to wear out sooner or later.

And Wieters played in 132, 134 and 140 games at catcher alone in the three seasons leading up to his injury in 2014. I don't see Elias allowing AR to get overused behind the plate like the way Wieters was driven into the ground. 

[Pickles]

3 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Wieters is also really tall for a catcher at 6'5". I think having a long frame like him, it's harder on the body to crouch 9 innings a game. Having a more compact body would seem to help a catcher, but whatever the case a catcher is going to wear out sooner or later.

And Wieters played in 132, 134 and 140 games at catcher alone in the three seasons leading up to his injury in 2014. I don't see Elias allowing AR to get overused behind the plate like the way Wieters was driven into the ground. 

All excellent points.

I think they will ease him into those workloads, but I do think, ultimately, in his prime, they will try to do just that: Catch him 130 games a year.

[OriolesMagic83]

On 8/26/2021 at 7:34 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

Mancini is a must trade because of AR needing those 1B/DH ABs. 

I agree, Mancini or Santander must go.  The O's are going to start stacking up players at 1B/DH/COF

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I agree, Mancini or Santander must go.  The O's are going to start stacking up players at 1B/DH/COF

True, but with the rate at which Santander and Hays get hurt, I think there are enough at bats to go around for now. And Rutschman most like isn't getting called up until May. 

I think DJ Stewart is done after this year and if the Orioles do make a trade Santander might return more than Mancino this offseason. 

[Frobby]

Just when you thought Santander had dug his way out of the hole, he’s put himself right back in it.   He had his OPS all the way up to .765 on August 25, and since then has gone 3 for 37, .108/.175/.108, to sink back down to .713 overall.