Chart of various 2022 O's Top 50 Rankings

[Frobby]

I thought it would be fun to line up the various rankings of the O's minor leaguers side by side.   Nobody other than Tony has gone more than 50 deep, so I stopped there.   There are some holes on my list, which I'd be happy to fill in if anyone has the information.

Rank	Hangout	Fangraphs	On the Verge	BA	BP	Keith Law	Prospects Live	Eutaw Street	Prospects1500
1	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman	Rutschman
2	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rodriguez	Rordiguez	Rodriguez
3	Mayo	Hall 	Hall	Hall		Cowser	Hall	Hall	Hall
4	Cowser	Cowser	Henderson	Henderson		Henderson	Cowser	Henderson	Henderson
5	Hall	Henderson	Cowser	Cowser		Hall	Henderson	Cowser	Westburg
6	Henderson	Mayo	Mayo				Mayo	Kjerstad	Cowser
7	Stowers	Bradish	Westburg				Westburg	Westburg	Mayo
8	Westburg	Stowers	Kjerstad		Kjerstad		Kjerstad	Bradish	Stowers
9	Kjerstad	Wesburg	Bradish		Bradish		Stowers	Mayo	Kjerstad
10	Norby	Kjerstad	Stowers		Vavra		Rom	Stowers	Bradish
11	Rom	Vavra	Baumann					Norby	Norby
12	Basallo	Arias	Vavra					Baumann	Vavra
13	Pinto	Norby	Norby					Vavra	Baumann
14	Hernandez	Prieto	Tavera					Diaz	Haskin
15	Lowther	Rom	Pinto					Haskins	Rom
16	Baumler	Trimble	Hernandez					Jones	Baumler
17	Bradish	Brnovich	Rom					Smith	Hernandez
18	Baumann	Baumler	Basallo					Ortiz	Jones
19	Ortiz	Hernaiz	Haskiin					Rom 	Lowther
20	Vavra	Hernandez	Prieto					Lowther	Hernaiz
21	Rhodes	Deson	Ortiz						Ortiz
22	Bautista	Baumann	Jones						Wells
23	Young	Ortiz	Rhodes						Basallo
24	Willems	Servideo 	Lowther						Smith
25	Deson	Williams	Trimble						Servideo
26	Trimble	Haskin	Smith						Trimble
27	Williams	Watson 	Servideo						Rhodes
28	Servideo	Pinto 	Baumler						Gonzalez 
29	Haskin	Grenier	Peek						Ramirez
30	Rangel	Jones 	Brnovich						L. Ortiz
31	Peek	Wells	Stallings						Watson
32	Brnovic	Young	Deson						Diaz
33	De Los Santos	Rhodes	Diaz						Nevin
34	Mundy	Bautista 	Watson						Neustrom
35	Wells	Baker	Young						Peek
36	Peralta	Gollaspie	L. Ortiz						A. Hall
37	Smith	Tavera	Arias						Stallings 
38	Bishop	McSweeny	Bannon						Prado
39	Tavera	Burch	Neustrom						Pinto
40	Neustrom	Gillies	Amparo						Grenier
41	Sedlock	Nevin	Hernaiz						Mundy
42	Hernaiz	Smith	De Los Santos						Brnovich
43	Vespi	Uvilla	Williams						Deson
44	Grenier	Feliz	Rangel						Acevedo
45	Jones	Mattson	Knight						Rizer
46	Dorrian		A. Hall						Knight
47	Diaz		Nevin						De Los Santos
48	Watson		Gonzalez						Alvarez
49	Daschbach		Peralta 						Young
50	L. Ortiz		Burns						Carmona

 

[btdart20]

Thanks for posting this!  Any way to clean up the column alignment?  

Tony is the only one with Norby in the top 10 (though most have him in the top 13).  Bradish is the statistical outlier for the top talent (that's also where the deviation really starts).  Tony has him ranked 17 while everyone else has Bradish in the 7-10 range.  The rest of his top 10 names are consensus.  Only two other names show in the top 10 (Vavra and Rom).

[Frobby]

 I don’t know if I can clean up the alignment.   I may need to try skinning the cat another way, by listing the players and giving their rankings.   

If anyone has access to the full BA/BP and ProspectsLive list, please post or PM me and I’ll add them in.   Also waiting for MLB.com to update their list from last summer, which is woefully out of date.   

One thing to note on Tony’s list: it was done before the international signings and a few of our smaller acquisitions this winter.   

 

[Tony-OH]

Well we all agree on Rutschman and Rodriguez as 1-2.

 

 

[Tony-OH]

3 hours ago, btdart20 said:

Thanks for posting this!  Any way to clean up the column alignment?  

Tony is the only one with Norby in the top 10 (though most have him in the top 13).  Bradish is the statistical outlier for the top talent (that's also where the deviation really starts).  Tony has him ranked 17 while everyone else has Bradish in the 7-10 range.  The rest of his top 10 names are consensus.  Only two other names show in the top 10 (Vavra and Rom).

I'm definitely the low guy on Bradish and have known that for awhile. As an Orioles fan,  hope they are all right. As an evaluator, I still see a guy who's command needs to improve to stick as a starter because he uses too many pitches to get guys out. The slider he started to use more at the end of the season did make him more interesting, but I'm not a fan of his change and the curve is too inconsistent and I'd like to see more swing and misses of it in the zone.

I could have put him higher based on the fact that I think he could be 8th or 9th inning bullpen guy, but I gotta go with my thoughts of "if I can only have one player in my system, who would I want", and this is where he fell for me.

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm definitely the low guy on Bradish and have know that for awhile. As an Orioles fan,  hope they are all right. As an evaluator, I still see a guy who's command needs to improve to stick as a starter because he uses too many pitches to get guys out. The slider he started to use more at the end of the season did make him more interesting but I'm not a fan of his change.

I could have put him higher based on the fact that I think he could be 8th or 9th inning bullpen guy, but I gotta go with my thoughts of "if I can only have one player in my system, who would I want", and this is where he fell for me.

Even though Fangraphs ranked him 7th, they described him as a “five and dive” starter, i.e. a guy who won’t get deep into games due to pitch counts.  

[Tony-OH]

11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Even though Fangraphs ranked him 7th, they described him as a “five and dive” starter, i.e. a guy who won’t get deep into games due to pitch counts.  

Not really wrong, but in this day and age, getting through the 6th regularly makes you a workhorse. 

[wildcard]

I added up to the rankings.  Here are some things to note:

1) Different rankers placed a different number of players.  Some ranked 2, 5, 10, 20, 40, 50 players.  

2) The data is depended on how accurate Frobby was with including everyone ranked from each poll.

3) To make sure the top 10 were listed I added the number 11 (just outside the top 10) to make sure there were 7 ranking for each of the 10 top.  That is the only place I added any rankings.

4) Norby could have easily be ranked 11th or 12 if was named in one more ranking.

5) I developed this is Apple pages and copied it.   I don't know how be change the background so its black on black.   I hope you can read it.

Here are the ranking:

1.  Rutschman -9                               top 2 have 9 rankers

2.Grayson - 18

3. Hall - 3,3,3,3, 3, 3, 5,5 = 28                3-5 have 8 rankers
4. Cowser - 3, 4, 4, 4,5, 5,5, 6=  36
5. Henderson - 4.4.4.4.4,5,5, 6=  36
6. Mayo - 3, 6,6,6,7 11, 11= 50                  6- 10 have 7 scores *I added 11s to fill out scores
7. Westburg - 5,7, 7, 7, 8,9,11 =54
8. Kjerstad - 8.8,8, 9,9, 10, 11 = 63
9. Stowers- 8,8,9, 10, 10, 11.11= 67
10. Bradish - 7,8,9,9, 10,17,11 =  71

 

11. Vavra - 10, 11, 12,12, 13, 20 = 78          11-12 have 6 rankers
12. Rom - 10, 11, 15 15,17, 19 = 87

 

13. Norby - 10, 11, 11,13,13 -  58                  13-19 have 5 rankers

14 Baumann - 11, 12, 13, 18, 22 = 76

15 Baumler - 15, 16, 16, 18 , 28 = 93

16  Ortiz - 18, 19, 21, 21, 23 =  102

17. Haskins - 14, 15, 19, 26, 29=  103

18  Rhodes - 21,  23, 27,28, 33 = 132    

19  Smith - 17, 24, 26, 37, 42 = 146

 

20. Hernandez - 14,16, 17, 20 = 67             20-30 have 4 rankers

21.Lowther - 15, 19, 20, 24,= 78

22.Trimble - 16, 25, 26, 26 = 93            

23,  Pinto - 13,15, 28, 39 = 95

24. Jones - 16, 18, 30, 45 = 109

25. Brnovich - 17, 30, 32, 42 = 121

26. Deson - 21, 25, 32,43 = 121

27. Hernaiz - 19, 20, 41, 42=  122

28. Diaz -14, 32, 33, 47 =128

29. Young - 23, 32, 35, 49 = 139

30 Watson - 27, 31, 34, 48= 140

 

31. Basallo -  12, 18, 23 = 53                   31-40 have 3 rankers

32.  Servideo - 24, 25, 27= 76

33. Wells - 22.31, 35 = 88

34. Tavera - 14, 37, 39 = 90

35. Williams - 25, 27, 43 = 95

36. Peek - 29, 31, 35 = 95

37. Grenier - 29, 40, 44 = 113

38. Neustrom - 34, 39, 40 = 113

39. Nevin - 33, 41, 47 = 121

40. De Los Santos - 33, 42, 47= 122

 

 

 

41. Prieto - 14, 20 = 34                41-51 have 2 rankers

42. Arias - 12, 37 = 49

43. Bautista  - 22, 34= 56 45.

44.  L Ortiz - 30, 36 = 66

 

45. Stallings - 31, 37= 68

46. Gonzalez - 28, 48= 76

47.  Rangel - 30, 44= 74

48. Mundy - 34, 41= 75

49. Gillaspie -36, 40 = 76

50. A Hall - 36, 46= 82

51. Peralta - 36, 49, = 85

 

 

 

52. Willems - 24                   52-73 have one ranker

53. Ramirez - 29

54.  Baker- 35

55. Bishop - 38

56. McSweeny - 38

57, Bannon - 38

58. Prado - 38

59.  Burch - 39

60 Amparo - 40

61. Sedlock - 41

62. Vespi - 43

63. Uvilla - 43

64. Feliz - 44

65, Acevedo -44

66, Mattson - 45

67. Knight - 45

68. Rizer - 45

69. Dorrain - 46

70. Alvarez - 48

71. Daschbach- 49

72, Burns - 50

73. Carmano - 50

[Sports Guy]

I just don’t see how you can have Bradish at 7.  Just doesn’t make sense to me.  I had him 15th and I’m good with saying he could be anywhere in the 10-18 range,  I think that’s a very bunched up group and it just depends on what you value…but to put higher than that is a head scratcher to me.

[wildcard]

28 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I just don’t see how you can have Bradish at 7.  Just doesn’t make sense to me.  I had him 15th and I’m good with saying he could be anywhere in the 10-18 range,  I think that’s a very bunched up group and it just depends on what you value…but to put higher than that is a head scratcher to me.

The combined ranks have Bradish at 10.

[btdart20]

51 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I added up to the rankings....

Here are the ranking:

1. Rutschman -9                                top 2 have 9 rankers
2. Grayson - 18

 

3. Hall - 3,3,3,3, 3, 3, 5,5 = 28                3-5 have 8 rankers
4. Cowser - 3, 4, 4, 4,5, 5,5, 6=  36
5. Henderson - 4.4.4.4.4,5,5, 6=  36

 

6. Mayo - 3, 6,6,6,7 11, 11= 50                  6- 10 have 7 scores *I added 11s to fill out scores
7. Westburg - 5,7, 7, 7, 8,9,11 =54
8. Kjerstad - 8.8,8, 9,9, 10, 11 = 63
9. Stowers- 8,8,9, 10, 10, 11.11= 67
10. Bradish - 7,8,9,9, 10,17,11 =  71

 

11. Vavra - 10, 11, 12,12, 13, 20 = 78          11-12 have 6 rankers
12. Rom - 10, 11, 15 15,17, 19 = 87

 

13. Norby - 10, 11, 11,13,13 -  58                  13-19 have 5 rankers

14 Baumann - 11, 12, 13, 18, 22 = 76

15 Baumler - 15, 16, 16, 18 , 28 = 93

16  Ortiz - 18, 19, 21, 21, 23 =  102

17. Haskins - 14, 15, 19, 26, 29=  103

 

That's basically the rankings/tiers I came away with too.  Though I bumped Mayo up to the Hall/Cowser/Henderson tier (or can make a Mayo/Westburg tier).  

I bunched Norby/Vavra/Rom/Baumann.  Which feels right regarding their upside anyway.

Once you get past that point, there's some pretty big variances.  And some old data issue.  Basallo, Trimble, Pinto...

It's a good snapshot though.

[Tony-OH]

On 2/10/2022 at 3:10 PM, Frobby said:

Even though Fangraphs ranked him 7th, they described him as a “five and dive” starter, i.e. a guy who won’t get deep into games due to pitch counts.  

They must think our system if really weak if a five and dive starter is #7.

[Frobby]

So I added up the “consensus” of the nine rankings listed on my chart, giving 10 points for being picked no. 1, 9 points for 2, etc. down to one point for 10.   These were the results:

1. Rutschman 90

2. Rodriguez 81

3.  Hall 67

4. Cowser 60

5. Henderson 58

6. Westburg 38

7. Mayo 36

8. Kjerstad 22

9. Stowers 18

10. Bradish 15

Also getting points: Norby (4), Ortiz (4). Rom (1).   

I may do another list for nos. 11-20.   Only seven of the nine rankers went that deep, plus the Prospects Live list is behind a paywall once you get past 10.  (BA may have come out with its 11-30 behind a paywall too, I’m not sure.)
 

[Frobby]

Here’s the “consensus” 11-20.  For this round, being ranked 11th was worth 10 points, and players got extra credit if they’d been picked in the top ten (for example, Ortiz got 14 points for being picked 7th by Keith Law).

11. Norby 57

12. Vavra 44

13. Baumann 39

14. Rom 34

15. Ortiz 19

16. Hernandez 17

17. Haskin 15

18. Pinto 14

19 (tie). Baumler 13, Prieto 13 

Others getting votes: Basallo (11), Arias (9), Jones (8), Lowther (8), Brnovich (8), Trimble (5), Smith (4), A. Hall (2), Gillaspie (2), Hernaiz (2).

Really, nos. 11-14 showed up high on a lot of ballots, and then things get pretty random.   

[Frobby]

PS - apologies to wildcard, I hadn’t seen his post above until just now.   Our rankings differ a little because I was able to fill in the rest of the BA and Law top 10’s since I initially posted my chart.   Also, my top 10 list didn’t give any credit for rankings below 10, and my 11-20 list didn’t give any credit for rankings below 20.