The Westburg Theory

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Pickles said:

As others have pointed out, Mullins even playing as he has this year has been average to above average player.  Last year he was a star.

Benching him, cutting his playing time, etc. is a bad idea if your idea is to improve the team.  If you want to tank for a draft pick, it's probably a great idea.

I am waiting for Frobby to say how much of Mullins WAR is for offense.   I would think its mostly for defense.   The O's need to improve their offense because their starters give up too many runs and Elias doesn't have other starters to improve that problem.

If Stowers offers more offense Elias has to find a way to get him in the lineup.

[maybenxtyr]

Westbury and Gunnar were promoted together because that's going to be the left side of the infield at some point.

 

Stowers has nothing to do with any of it. He'll be up when an injury or trade happens.

 

Martin would likely be brought up for Owings would be my guess.

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

I am waiting for Frobby to say how much of Mullins WAR is for offense.   I would think its mostly for defense.   The O's need to improve their offense because their starters give up too many runs and Elias don't have the other starters to improve that problem.

If Stowers offers more offense Elias has to find a way to get him in the lineup.

If they make their defense worse, do you think that will solve the problem of the starters giving up too many runs?

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Westbury and Gunnar were promoted together because that's going to be the left side of the infield at some point.

 

Stowers has nothing to do with any of it. He'll be up when an injury or trade happens.

 

Martin would likely be brought up for Owings would be my guess.

I think its yet to be seen where Gunnar and Westburg play.   Gunnar could be at 3B and Westburg at 2B.    So maybe not both on the left side.

You and Tony agree that Stowers does not come up until there is an injury or trade. You are in good company.  I am not so sure.

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, Pickles said:

If they make their defense worse, do you think that will solve the problem of the starters giving up too many runs?

Depends on how many more runs they score.  Its a trade off.  

Right now they are losing 60% of their games.  They need to make some moves that are available to them to try to improve.  Standing pat and continue to lost 60% does not sound like a solution.

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I am waiting for Frobby to say how much of Mullins WAR is for offense.   I would think its mostly for defense.   The O's need to improve their offense because their starters give up too many runs and Elias doesn't have other starters to improve that problem.

If Stowers offers more offense Elias has to find a way to get him in the lineup.

You can easily look that info up yourself, you don't need Frobby to do it for you. If Mullins helps our outfield defensively I don't see why it matters how much his overall production comes from offense or defense. 

You are again assuming Elias cares about winning this year. Have you switched personalities with Sportsguy all of a sudden? Elias will promote Stowers when he thinks it is developmentally right to do so. I don't think that happens until there is a situation where he can get every day AB's. 

[wildcard]

The best solution is to have Mullins hit like he did last year.   How do you make that happen?  They have played him most games for 220 at bats.  That has not worked so far.

[Pickles]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Depends on how many more runs they score.  Its a trade off.  

Right now they are losing 60% of their games.  They need to make some moves that are available to them to try to improve.  Standing pat and continue to lost 60% does not sound like a solution.

And again, I fail to see how benching one of your best players is any kind of rational solution.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

You can easily look that info up yourself, you don't need Frobby to do it for you. If Mullins helps our outfield defensively I don't see why it matters how much his overall production comes from offense or defense. 

You are again assuming Elias cares about winning this year. Have you switched personalities with Sportsguy all of a sudden? Elias will promote Stowers when he thinks it is developmentally right to do so. I don't think that happens until there is a situation where he can get every day AB's. 

I don't think Elias or Hyde work that way.   They like to move players around.   Have as much talent as possible.  Rotate guys in and out of the lineup the way the Cubs did when Hyde was there.   So they can find at bats for Stowers if he improves the talent on the team.   

And I think Stowers is as ready for a promotion to the majors and Westburg was for a promotion to AAA.  Elias made that move.

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, Pickles said:

And again, I fail to see how benching one of your best players is any kind of rational solution.

Then don't bench him.   Give him more rest.

[wildcard]

Anyone noticed that there are currently 25 players on the 26 man roster.  Elias is going to add someone before the game today.

[Moose Milligan]

Won't be Stowers.

[sportsfan8703]

Mullins isn’t getting benched. Stowers comes up whenever Mancini and/or Santander is traded. Westburg and Gunnar are in AAA until we gain the 7th year of control of them next year. Martin could come up to be the UTIL guy over Owings, but I don’t know if 7 ABs a week matters that much. 
 

I think this year’s team needs won’t affect how we promote anyone. I think the prospects are on their own developmental plans and will be up when they are ready, it makes sense arbitration wise, and then if there is a team need. 

[SteveA]

43 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Depends on how many more runs they score.  Its a trade off.  

Right now they are losing 60% of their games.  They need to make some moves that are available to them to try to improve.  Standing pat and continue to lost 60% does not sound like a solution.

Why?   What makes you pick June 7, 2022 as the day that, for the very first time in his tenure, Elias decides to start making moves that prioritize winning at the major league level over player development?   He didn't care about losing over 60% of games in 2019.   He didn't care about losing over 60% of his games in 2020.  He didn't care about losing over 60% of his games in 2021.   Based on the team he put together this season, he didn't care about losing over 60% of his games in 2021.

Did some sort of colored smoke come out of the warehouse chimney this morning that makes you think today is the day that for the first time that is going to change?

[SteveA]

26 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Anyone noticed that there are currently 25 players on the 26 man roster.  Elias is going to add someone before the game today.

Yeah, I accidentally started a thread about it on the minor league board when I thought I was on this board, my mistake.

They could bring up another pitcher, but with a pretty rested bullpen and coming off a day off, I tend to think it will be a position player.   Also, we are what, less than two weeks away from it having to be a position player (13 pitcher roster limit), what is that the 19th?

It's possible that the 26th man will just be Owings coming off the bereavement list and they will keep Nevin up.   It could be Richie Martin, if they decide to put him in the Owings role.   That would necessitate a 40 man move but we have plenty of those available (what is Lakins' injury, can he move to the 60 man?)