Not going to work in this park

[DrungoHazewood]

1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

When is the last time the Orioles had 2 guys in the top 3 of MLB in SBs?

1899.  When Jimmy Sheckard and John McGraw finished 1-2.  Oriole Ducky Holmes finished 4th, with St. Louis' Emmet Heidrick keeping them from a top four sweep.  The Birds stole 364 bases that year. Every starter except catcher Wilbert Robinson had at least 19 steals.

In 2007 Brian Roberts tied for the AL lead and Corey Patterson was 4th, but several National Leaguers were ahead of each of them and it doesn't meet your criteria even for just the AL.

In 1896 Joe Kelley led the majors with 87 under the old definition, while teammates Dirty Jack Doyle (73), Hughie Jennings (70), and Willie Keeler (67) finished 5th-7th.  In '95 McGraw, Kelley, and Jennings finished 3, 4, 5.

In 1919 Orioles Fritz Maisel and Otis Lawry finished 2-3 in the International League in steals with 63 and 56.

[RZNJ]

35 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I guess I should have added "and without the outfielder misplaying the ball."  I want to see an ISTPer that's just hit in a gap or over someone's head, nobody does anything wrong, and they just can't get it back fast enough to stop him from circling the bases.

You need the old Yankee stadium with the deep LCF and the monuments in CF.  lol

[deward]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

The first permanent enclosed ball park was the Union Grounds in Brooklyn in 1862, so up to that point all home runs (and they weren't infrequent in that era) were inside the park.  Or probably more accurately, inside the field but not over a fence.  I've seen references to a park in Pennington Gap, Virginia being the last minor league field without a fence as late as the 1920s.  So in the beginning God made baseball without fences and at least in some places it stayed that way for a good, long while. 

In 1862 the fielders didn't wear gloves, the pitcher was throwing underhand, the umpire wasn't calling balls and strikes, and you'd probably struggle to find a vendor that would let you pay with your phone for your plastic helmet full of ice cream. It took a while to perfect the formula.

[DrungoHazewood]

14 minutes ago, deward said:

In 1862 the fielders didn't wear gloves, the pitcher was throwing underhand, the umpire wasn't calling balls and strikes, and you'd probably struggle to find a vendor that would let you pay with your phone for your plastic helmet full of ice cream. It took a while to perfect the formula.

  Yes, that is all true.  I'd still like to see a legitimate inside-the-park homer every once in a while that doesn't involve the ball being trapped in the pocket of a passing kangaroo.

[deward]

13 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

  Yes, that is all true.  I'd still like to see a legitimate inside-the-park homer every once in a while that doesn't involve the ball being trapped in the pocket of a passing kangaroo.

https://www.mlb.com/stories/2022-inside-the-park-home-runs

That's all the ITTP HRs from this year so far....closest is maybe Suzuki's, the CF didn't misplay, Suzuki just hit it so hard that it ricocheted off the wall right past him AND the kangaroo

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

This team has speed and more than 1 guy can motor.

I love the long ball as much as anybody. The ability to be able to play small ball, is critical to winning more games than you lose.

When is the last time the Orioles had 2 guys in the top 3 of MLB in SBs?

I was going to guess 2006 or 2007, when Brian Roberts and Corey Patterson we’re both on the team.  But even though both of them stole a lot more bases than Mullins and Mateo, they weren’t both top 3 either year.  

In ‘07 Roberts tied for the AL lead with 50, while Patterson tied for 4th with 37.  In ‘06, Patterson was tied for 3rd in the AL with 45, Roberts was 6th with 36.   

League-wide, stolen bases are a little lower now than in 2006-07, but not by that much (.55/.60 per game then, .51 now).   So I don’t know why the league leading totals are so much lower now.  


 

 

[Spy Fox]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

 League-wide, stolen bases are a little lower now than in 2006-07, but not by that much (.55/.60 per game then, .51 now).   So I don’t know why the league leading totals are so much lower now.  

I wonder if a better analytics understanding of when to steal and not to steal has flattened out the # of green lights each player gets. 
 

There might be more willingness to run midlevel base stealers in the right moments, but less willingness to run the best base stealers at the wrong moments. That could keep the average similar but lower the peak players are likely to reach. 

[Redskins Rick]

On 9/23/2022 at 3:35 PM, DrungoHazewood said:

1899.  When Jimmy Sheckard and John McGraw finished 1-2.  Oriole Ducky Holmes finished 4th, with St. Louis' Emmet Heidrick keeping them from a top four sweep.  The Birds stole 364 bases that year. Every starter except catcher Wilbert Robinson had at least 19 steals.

In 2007 Brian Roberts tied for the AL lead and Corey Patterson was 4th, but several National Leaguers were ahead of each of them and it doesn't meet your criteria even for just the AL.

In 1896 Joe Kelley led the majors with 87 under the old definition, while teammates Dirty Jack Doyle (73), Hughie Jennings (70), and Willie Keeler (67) finished 5th-7th.  In '95 McGraw, Kelley, and Jennings finished 3, 4, 5.

In 1919 Orioles Fritz Maisel and Otis Lawry finished 2-3 in the International League in steals with 63 and 56.

Knew it was rare to have 2 SB dudes on the same roster on top the league. Didnt realize it was that rare.

 

thanks

 

[eddie83]

I went back and looked at the visitors numbers. 
 

Overall 72 HR’s at home -2 from Williamsport which funny enough including one from a LHH and both to LF. So 70 HR’s in 77 games played. 46 by RH and 24 by LH. 
 

Month(games)   HR’s         Over new wall 

April     (8)          2                    0

May (16)             15                  4

June (11)            8                    2

July (14)            18                  5

August(11)         12                 3 

Sept(17)             15                 2

 

New wall is from foul pole to where bullpen wall starts. Of the 16 there were zero by LHH. So there have been zero HR’s over the new wall by the Orioles or competition from LHH this year. The opponents LHH did hit 5 HR’s to the bullpen and 2 to CF. So 17/24 HR’s were pulled from LHH. The RHH hit 24/46 HR’s from bullpen area to LF foul pole. Roughly 7/16 HR’s including one off foul pole were pulled down the line. 
 

When season is over I’ll try to tie this all together. I do not see where I can get the splits from LHH/RHH at home. 

Obviously the Orioles play RH dominant teams like TOR and NYY at home.